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Who should be Carlton's next coach?
Teague 48%  48%  [ 125 ]
B Scott 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
Clarkson 13%  13%  [ 34 ]
Ratten 13%  13%  [ 33 ]
Voss 7%  7%  [ 18 ]
Malthouse 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Walls 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Caracella 3%  3%  [ 9 ]
Longmuir 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Barker 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Leppitsch 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Mitchell 3%  3%  [ 7 ]
Bassett 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Burns 2%  2%  [ 6 ]
Roos 3%  3%  [ 8 ]
Other 5%  5%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 262
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:41 pm 
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I AM commited to Hawthorn
I AM staying

These are statements in the current tense.

We don't know what assurances have been given above this

I HAVE no intention of leaving

These can be true and not lies, until you change your mind

If Clarkson is the man to deliver us a premiership or 3, I can live with him having screwed Jeff Kennett. In fact, it would be endearing.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:22 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
Sad state of affairs when you hang off the words of a few...


Carlton-life! :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:41 pm 
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Barass70 on BF has posted that Ross Lyon was never on our radar.


He wasn't on Carlton's radar.... But we fell head over heels for him anyway....
Roscoe : a true love story

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:03 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
I AM commited to Hawthorn
I AM staying

These are statements in the current tense.

We don't know what assurances have been given above this

I HAVE no intention of leaving

These can be true and not lies, until you change your mind

If Clarkson is the man to deliver us a premiership or 3, I can live with him having screwed Jeff Kennett. In fact, it would be endearing.


The statement from his manager is very carefully worded and doesn't explicitly rule him out from coming to us.

It's still very much possible.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:17 pm 
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Nah, I e would need to be a big and public change for Clarkson to break his words.
E.g. a very public difference of opinion between him and Kennet over whether to add for a flag or go to the draft. And this might occur via Coniglio.... kennet wants to go to the draft. Clarkson wants to add Coniglio and go for another flag. Amidst the fallout, Clarkson walks out, comes to Carlton and brings Coniglio with him.
Having said that, I’m kind of still more excited about Teague... provided we continue to show improvement through the last 4 testing weeks.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:18 pm 
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PS. I predict that if we beat the Eagles and Adelaide lose to the Saints, then Teague will be announced coach VERY quick smart!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:31 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Nah, I e would need to be a big and public change for Clarkson to break his words.
E.g. a very public difference of opinion between him and Kennet over whether to add for a flag or go to the draft. And this might occur via Coniglio.... kennet wants to go to the draft. Clarkson wants to add Coniglio and go for another flag. Amidst the fallout, Clarkson walks out, comes to Carlton and brings Coniglio with him.
Having said that, I’m kind of still more excited about Teague... provided we continue to show improvement through the last 4 testing weeks.


As Coniglio is a free agent, can't the Hawks do both i.e. go to the draft and pick up Coniglio?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:42 pm 
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Blue Boys wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
Nah, I e would need to be a big and public change for Clarkson to break his words.
E.g. a very public difference of opinion between him and Kennet over whether to add for a flag or go to the draft. And this might occur via Coniglio.... kennet wants to go to the draft. Clarkson wants to add Coniglio and go for another flag. Amidst the fallout, Clarkson walks out, comes to Carlton and brings Coniglio with him.
Having said that, I’m kind of still more excited about Teague... provided we continue to show improvement through the last 4 testing weeks.


As Coniglio is a free agent, can't the Hawks do both i.e. go to the draft and pick up Coniglio?


Yes, but I’m talking about a pretext that would justify Clarkson breaking his commitments to stay.
I think this would need to happen if he was to leave the
Hawks next year.
In any event, if Teague wins another game it might all be moot. If we win another two games (meaning we would have had to beat at least one of WCE, Rich or Geel) then Teague will definitely win the appointment irrespective of who is available.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:49 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:52 pm 
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had no idea he'd lost a child. :cry:
what are the chances of two Carlton blokes, both coaches...
so sad.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:13 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
BigKev wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
Media reports that Clarko has assured Jeff Kennett he isn't leaving, therefore it's 100% true??

Clarko and his manager are saying that he is committed to the Hawks, which is true until it isn't.

None of you have looked for a job while working somewhere?
What about if you are approached with a better offer?
"No sorry I can't entertain that offer that increases my pay by 50% because I told my boss last week that I was committed here"


Football is an industry, coaching is a job.
It's not a knight's code of honour to protect the realm.


The point Buzzaaaah, and this is also in reply to Sidefx's "this is the real world" comment is that looking people in the eyes and lying to them is not ok whatever world you think we live in. It trashes relationships. I'm not talking here about vague media statements from his manager. Players have stated that he has given them personal assurances that he's staying at the Hawks. Everyone's heard them - including the Carlton list. If I was on the Blues list and a bloke like that turned up as coach and started talking about building bonds and forming close relationships I'd be taking it with a grain of salt.

Don't kid yourselves that it's all about being "professional" or that things can ever be "too important" or "too serious" to care about relationships and reputation. Relationships have always mattered and always will. People don't give their all because "professional".

And for the record, I have changed jobs many times whilst working somewhere. Being a nobody it's been easy enough to keep quiet and at worst evade a direct answer. I would never ever have looked any of my work friends in the eye and lied directly about it to them. You just don't do that sort of thing.

Anyway, that's my two cents. You conduct yourselves however you like but on this point I will never change my mind.


I guess that's your own personal ethos you wish to live by.

FWIW: I have sold two businesses and helped facilitate a 3rd. In all of these businesses I have had to lie to staff due to non-disclosure. I still maintain good relationships with ex staff members from all businesses and in-fact, I'm still used as a reference for many of them. Personally, I put it down to mutual respect of all involved and the logical thinking of why things could not be public knowledge at the time of negotiations. And I can't see anything different here with Clarkson.

I think your'e putting way too much emotion into this. From my experiences, you are in a minority when it comes to your view on professional standards and employee productivity. But we are all different I guess and it might effect one or two players. But if it meant winning a premiership, you'd be kidding yourself if all players would not give 100% under Clarkson.


No problem with most of that SFX. We see things differently - makes the world a more interesting place. You may well be right about me being in a minority, but if that's the case then it's one I'm happy to be in. :thumbsup:

You did make a new point though and one that I also disagree with. That is about emotion. For mine football is all about emotion. Take that out and it's pointless.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:44 pm 
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had no idea he'd lost a child. :cry:
what are the chances of two Carlton blokes, both coaches...
so sad.
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I had no idea either, that is so sad.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:06 pm 
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Let's see what the tweeps reckon, they weren't keen on supporting Lyon. :thumbsup:



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:37 am 
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I'm onboard the Teague Train now!!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:47 am 
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kezza wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
had no idea he'd lost a child. :cry:
what are the chances of two Carlton blokes, both coaches...
so sad.
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I had no idea either, that is so sad.


I'm not crying, YOU'RE crying!


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:02 am 
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Teague hasn’t put a foot wrong in all aspects. The massive turnaround in such a short period, in season, has been quite remarkable.

Clearly the players love him, are playing for him and are enjoying their footy.

This last month though is a real test against 3 flag favourites.

Dare say our performances will go a long way towards whether Teague gets the gig or not.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:03 pm 
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Let's see what the tweeps reckon, they weren't keen on supporting Lyon. :thumbsup:



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I'd like to vote for Teague but Im not signing on to join tweet mania

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:32 pm 
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it was reported at time that Teague sought a vic coaching role because of the tragic loss of child. He also hinted on 3aw on the weekend that even if he misses out on senior role at CFC he wouldn’t be leaving vic or us anytime soon due to family

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2017- ... homecoming


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:38 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
camelboy wrote:
Let's see what the tweeps reckon, they weren't keen on supporting Lyon. :thumbsup:



https://twitter.com/TalkingCarlton/stat ... 5090071552


I'd like to vote for Teague but Im not signing on to join tweet mania


Vote currently running 65% for Teague.

Whilst I am very interested in how we go over the next four weeks, the more I think about it the more I realise that it probably shouldn’t make much of a difference to how we view Teague.
I DO believe it will affect the confidence with which the Board is prepared to support him or to go against supporting him. But I don’t think the next four weeks could really condemn him from here. With the possible exception of a poor showing against StK.
Apart from that, we are playing the three favourites for the flag. With a list that most people believe is at the lower end of the ladder (with good upside).
Even if we lose all thee by a significant margin, doesn’t mean that Teague is not the guy.
Would we be expecting to suddenly beat these top teams if Clarkson had taken over a few weeks ago?

So, I think Teague has done the bulk of the work to get to 5/7 against teams who are considered better than us except GC. A strong showing for the last four weeks strengthens the case for Teague. But a poor showing top three teams doesn’t really stain it for me, provided we win one of the last four most likely against the Saints. But I’d even wear a loss to the Saints if we pinch one of the others.
That’s still a return of 6/11 after a start of 1/11 and 3/34...


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:28 pm 
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Correct...

But it does matter who we interview and how they interview... difference is. DT can show rather than talk about what he can do (which at the moment is plenty)


Even more importantly 17th, I want your username to be old news!

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