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Who should be Carlton's next coach?
Teague 48%  48%  [ 125 ]
B Scott 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
Clarkson 13%  13%  [ 34 ]
Ratten 13%  13%  [ 33 ]
Voss 7%  7%  [ 18 ]
Malthouse 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Walls 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Caracella 3%  3%  [ 9 ]
Longmuir 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Barker 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Leppitsch 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Mitchell 3%  3%  [ 7 ]
Bassett 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Burns 2%  2%  [ 6 ]
Roos 3%  3%  [ 8 ]
Other 5%  5%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 262
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:35 am 
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AGRO wrote:
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Between now and the announcement, ‘the process’ consists of Juddy & the rest of the panel members selling us the decision that has already been made.

Played for fools. Again.


This was my initial thought too.
IMO the board got rid of BB mid season for 2 reasons:
1. They needed to do something to appease the membership data base and AFL powers to be and;
i. Not lose the off field success they have had.
ii. Throw caution to the wind to try and mitigate the impending Stocker trade fiasco (personally I like Stocker, but the top two mids this year will be guns).
iii. Be seen by the AFL and greater community that we are doing everything we can to get off the bottom of the ladder.
2. They already have someone lined up for the gig.

The playing group are still inconsistent (mainly due to the age of players, especially in the middle) and the best we can finish is 17th, bar a small miracle.
Fingers crossed Dew goes "6000lb gorilla" on the AFL for a priority pick and by association we get one too. This will be a good test on our clubs "testicle fortitude", to see if they can conjure one also. And on the flip side it will also show the level of bias in the AFL if we don't and they do.



As it currently stands we have won one less game than the Gold Coast (Season 2015 till now) so the AFL will have an extensive amount of dribble running down their chin awarding the Gold Coast a priority pick and justifying why we don’t get one.


Agreed.

But they have a couple of months left to try and find some excuse. I'm going with a decrease in participation at the lower levels in QLD to head up their agenda to screw us again.


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Or alternatively we may get an extraordinary good run from the Umpiring Department over the next few weeks to ensure we have more wins than Gold Coast.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:17 am 
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AGRO wrote:
Or alternatively we may get an extraordinary good run from the Umpiring Department over the next few weeks to ensure we have more wins than Gold Coast.

They’d rather GC remain irrelevant for eons before any crazy shite like that happens ... :razz:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:55 pm 
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I was disappointed with Judd last night pretty much dismissing any thought of Teague getting the job.
They stuffed up the last appointment so why should we trust them to get this one right?
Teague may well be the best candidate and it looks like he will not get a look in.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:09 pm 
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Re Judd on Teague, I was also disheartened but the opening for Teague is via Roos as mentor coach.
I had them leaning towards Voss/Roos. But Teague/Roos also remains an option.

Re priority pick, that’s easy for the AFL to justify - we traded away our top 2 pick last year and several other first and second round picks.
(I realise the argument coming back is that we did the Stocker deal in order to generate an additional first round pick b/c the AFL had denied us... but the AFL won’t be looking for a real reason, just something they can say to justify their decision).

Having said all that, I don’t really care - we have plenty of high draft picks. That is not our problem and if we are relying on another one to be the panacea, it means we haven’t really accepted that it is up to us now. Not gifts from the AFL.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:15 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Re Judd on Teague, I was also disheartened but the opening for Teague is via Roos as mentor coach.
I had them leaning towards Voss/Roos. But Teague/Roos also remains an option.

Re priority pick, that’s easy for the AFL to justify - we traded away our top 2 pick last year and several other first and second round picks.
(I realise the argument coming back is that we did the Stocker deal in order to generate an additional first round pick b/c the AFL had denied us... but the AFL won’t be looking for a real reason, just something they can say to justify their decision).

Having said all that, I don’t really care - we have plenty of high draft picks. That is not our problem and if we are relying on another one to be the panacea, it means we haven’t really accepted that it is up to us now. Not gifts from the AFL.

Us swapping our first round pick with Adelaide should not come into it.
If we had not done so and were to receive a PP we would get picks 2 and 4.
As it stands now if were to get one we would get picks 2 and 13 (or there abouts)


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:28 pm 
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kezza wrote:
I was disappointed with Judd last night pretty much dismissing any thought of Teague getting the job.
They stuffed up the last appointment so why should we trust them to get this one right?
Teague may well be the best candidate and it looks like he will not get a look in.


I still don't get everyones hang up on Teague being one of the best, if not the best candidates. So far he has won us 2/4 which is pretty good if you only use that as a measure, especially seeing as though they were against top 8 teams (at the time of play). But other than the obvious honeymoon period, nothing from him screams premiership coach yet.
IMO this is my assessment so far:
Pros
-Jack is thriving.
-We are a little more attacking than before.
-More senior bodies in the middle.
-Trying to bring the fun back into the group, especially with our losing culture.

Cons
-More attack seems to mean less defence.
-The kids are less exposed at the coal face which could harm the speed of their development.
-You don't win premierships with a having fun mantra, especially when dealing with competitive athletes in a professional sport. So where to next for Teague?
-As on the weekend, the skills are pretty much the same and players are still getting lost on the field.

Teague and co are still playing mostly the game plan we have implemented for the last 3 years and I think we need a strong coach with a new game plan as well as a few new coaches under him if we are serious about changing things up next year. Time for a bit of a clean out.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:15 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
-We are a little more attacking than before.



Boltons last 3 games. Averaged 44 points for.
Teagues last 3 games. Averaged 93 points for. That's a lot of little.

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Lol how the @#$%&! is Teague supposed to have fixed years of shit coaching and fix all the skill errors in 4 weeks?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:07 pm 
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Put our dislike aside for a moment but Brad Scott wold be a good fit for this list


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Put our dislike aside for a moment but Brad Scott wold be a good fit for this list


Why?

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camelboy wrote:
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Put our dislike aside for a moment but Brad Scott wold be a good fit for this list


Why?


We are emerging from an era of no expectations, into an era where this list is really expected to step up and start underachieving and fail to meet people's expectations consistently - at least for the next 7 years.
Maybe Brad is the guy to take us there? :smoking:


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Clarkson firming - don't be surprised despite public denials.

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Ockham's Razor wrote:
Clarkson firming - don't be surprised despite public denials.


Yep, he's got my vote. Perfect fit, screams finals and will lure big name players to the club straight away.


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grrofunger wrote:
Lol how the @#$%&! is Teague supposed to have fixed years of shit coaching and fix all the skill errors in 4 weeks?


The funny part is you're not laying any blame at his feet for the mess we are in. He's just as guilty as the rest, yet everyone is drooling over him because we've had pretty much the same result as what we would've had under any caretaker coach that is currently at the club. And as I've stated before and this was a tongue in cheek comment under "Cons", it's not the head coaches job to fix players skill errors (much to the amazement of some), they are all drafted with these skills already and they have line coaches, development coaches and even sports psychologists for that. Teague is supposed to be "freeing" these players up to play to their own strengths and build belief........and if the weekend was a judgement game for that, we are well and truly screwed.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:28 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
Lol how the @#$%&! is Teague supposed to have fixed years of shit coaching and fix all the skill errors in 4 weeks?


The funny part is you're not laying any blame at his feet for the mess we are in. He's just as guilty as the rest, yet everyone is drooling over him because we've had pretty much the same result as what we would've had under any caretaker coach that is currently at the club. And as I've stated before and this was a tongue in cheek comment under "Cons", it's not the head coaches job to fix players skill errors (much to the amazement of some), they are all drafted with these skills already and they have line coaches, development coaches and even sports psychologists for that. Teague is supposed to be "freeing" these players up to play to their own strengths and build belief........and if the weekend was a judgement game for that, we are well and truly screwed.
You don't understand. He'd lost the players. He had to go. It's not about whether Teague is right or not. It's not even about whether Bolton was right or not. I would've preferred him to be the one. But Cripps and Curnow and Simpson and Thomas (and possibly Murphy) didn't. For better or worse, that was it!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:33 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Re Judd on Teague, I was also disheartened but the opening for Teague is via Roos as mentor coach.
I had them leaning towards Voss/Roos. But Teague/Roos also remains an option.

Re priority pick, that’s easy for the AFL to justify - we traded away our top 2 pick last year and several other first and second round picks.
(I realise the argument coming back is that we did the Stocker deal in order to generate an additional first round pick b/c the AFL had denied us... but the AFL won’t be looking for a real reason, just something they can say to justify their decision).

Having said all that, I don’t really care - we have plenty of high draft picks. That is not our problem and if we are relying on another one to be the panacea, it means we haven’t really accepted that it is up to us now. Not gifts from the AFL.



Keep Voss well away..lol.

He was a flop as a head coach and we can't afford that risk now.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:38 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
-We are a little more attacking than before.



Boltons last 3 games. Averaged 44 points for.
Teagues last 3 games. Averaged 93 points for. That's a lot of little.


To be fair BV, seeing as though the last 2-3 games BB was on the out we should be comparing the first 4 this year for BB and the first 4 for DT.
BB 1-4
For - 70.7
Against - 80.25

DT 12-16
For - 89
Against - 86.5


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moshe25 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
Lol how the @#$%&! is Teague supposed to have fixed years of shit coaching and fix all the skill errors in 4 weeks?


The funny part is you're not laying any blame at his feet for the mess we are in. He's just as guilty as the rest, yet everyone is drooling over him because we've had pretty much the same result as what we would've had under any caretaker coach that is currently at the club. And as I've stated before and this was a tongue in cheek comment under "Cons", it's not the head coaches job to fix players skill errors (much to the amazement of some), they are all drafted with these skills already and they have line coaches, development coaches and even sports psychologists for that. Teague is supposed to be "freeing" these players up to play to their own strengths and build belief........and if the weekend was a judgement game for that, we are well and truly screwed.
You don't understand. He'd lost the players. He had to go. It's not about whether Teague is right or not. It's not even about whether Bolton was right or not. I would've preferred him to be the one. But Cripps and Curnow and Simpson and Thomas (and possibly Murphy) didn't. For better or worse, that was it!

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Moshe I think you're the one not understanding. I know that BB had lost the players, but that's not my point and I believe I have articulated that quite clearly. My post was all about Teague and the confusion I have with peoples infatuation of him being our next head coach and not having shown any reason why he should be. Especially putting him before a tried and tested coach that will both bring leadership and lure mature A-Grade players to the club. If we keep Teague we may as well have kept BB. And your'e right, it's all about the players and what inspires them and I'd put my money on them believing in a Clarkson to lead them to as premiership over a senior coach in training wheels (as Judd so eloquently stated).


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Sidefx, I agree with you about Clarkson and would still be stoked if we can nab him, even though I switched my vote to Teague in the euphoric aftermath of Fremantle. But you don't need to downplay Teague to make your point. Under him we've had two wins, two losses by under a kick, and five 5-goal deficits overturned, after a period of... what was it again, 4 wins in 43 or whatever, and damned if I can remember any epic comebacks in that period (leads lost, on the other hand...). There's simply no argument that he's been a big upgrade from Bolton, and it's unfair to claim anyone could have done it (but hey, easy to make statements when there's no way to disprove them). But yes, we have to see how he's looking at season's end, and be ruthless if Clarkson or whoever is deemed our best chance of sustained success.


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