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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:58 am 
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The AFL website says Stocker out for 3-4 weeks with a foot injury. Murphy the logical replacement.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:09 am 
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Crippa wrote:
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Murphy is our second most prolific mid. He was playing shit because our game was shit. He has put up with more than any other player ever since he has come into this team and deserves a bit of respect. Try putting up with the bumps and bruises he has been through for all of his playing career. fmd you guys no one was favoured by that shitty game plan look at what a week with freedom has done to the other players that were rubbished the whole year.


I wouldn’t label him a prolific mid these days. The rest is well said though.

So based on his 2019 form would you bring him straight in this week and if so for who? I don’t see any options personally. Setters, LOB and SPS all played too well last week to be dropped.

Based on 2019 form only Cripps and Walsh would be automatic selections. Our game plan did not induce award winning performances by many players and that's because they knew the outcome before they took to the park. Murphy is quality and would be one of the first picked. I don't like changing a winning side unless someone had a couple of stinkers in a row or through injury, looks like we have a couple of injuries so yes, straight in if he's close to 100%.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:28 am 
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I thought SPS was very good in the 2nd half last week

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:15 pm 
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Murphy was elite and is still very good. With Teague's attacking game plan he should slot right in.

IF fit he should be an auto pick.

IF fit.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:59 pm 
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redback wrote:
Murphy is our second most prolific mid. He was playing shit because our game was shit. He has put up with more than any other player ever since he has come into this team and deserves a bit of respect. Try putting up with the bumps and bruises he has been through for all of his playing career. fmd you guys no one was favoured by that shitty game plan look at what a week with freedom has done to the other players that were rubbished the whole year.


A lot of emotion in your post, (and good on you for caring), but it's the bit I've highlighted in red that I think is the important part when considering team selection.

I don't think it's disrespectful to his history at the club not to consider him an automatic selection.

Looks like injury might make the decision easier anyway.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:13 pm 
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Pat's Fitztrick wrote:
The AFL website says Stocker out for 3-4 weeks with a foot injury. Murphy the logical replacement.


Stocker missed last week because of the ankle injury. He's not a new injury.

Some Posters stated Stocker was dropped, when he along with Lang were out injured whereas Fasolo and Kennedy were omitted.

No injuries from last week's game other than OBrien's corkie which is fine now.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:26 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
redback wrote:
Murphy is our second most prolific mid. He was playing shit because our game was shit. He has put up with more than any other player ever since he has come into this team and deserves a bit of respect. Try putting up with the bumps and bruises he has been through for all of his playing career. fmd you guys no one was favoured by that shitty game plan look at what a week with freedom has done to the other players that were rubbished the whole year.


A lot of emotion in your post, (and good on you for caring), but it's the bit I've highlighted in red that I think is the important part when considering team selection.

I don't think it's disrespectful to his history at the club not to consider him an automatic selection.

Looks like injury might make the decision easier anyway.


Nicely put Kev.

No disrespect for Murphy from me, but lets be mindful of his output this year:

Murphy has attracted a lot of criticism from Carlton supporters this year.
His disposal efficiency when not under pressure has dropped to new lows. Missing targets a lot. Nothing to do with game plan.
He has also been criticised for playing a "bruise free" brand of footy this year. Again nothing to do with game plan.

Everyone put their body on the line last week.
I don't know how he will go with freshly mended fractured ribs against a team looking for revenge.
He hasn't played predominantly midfield this year.

IMO Murphy is experienced and was elite in 2011.
He's played a lot good games, but he hasn't reached those heights since.
Frankly for me he hasn't had a crack when its his turn and maybe its his shoulders but he still can't stick a tackle.

If no injuries from last week, I would like to see him rested just for this game and the buy to make sure he is confident with the ribs.
Doggies will target those ribs if he is selected.
Too much risk imo. We need o win this week before the bye.

IF he is an automatic selection then I would leave out Setterfield.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:46 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
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Murphy is our second most prolific mid. He was playing shit because our game was shit. He has put up with more than any other player ever since he has come into this team and deserves a bit of respect. Try putting up with the bumps and bruises he has been through for all of his playing career. fmd you guys no one was favoured by that shitty game plan look at what a week with freedom has done to the other players that were rubbished the whole year.


A lot of emotion in your post, (and good on you for caring), but it's the bit I've highlighted in red that I think is the important part when considering team selection.

I don't think it's disrespectful to his history at the club not to consider him an automatic selection.

Looks like injury might make the decision easier anyway.



I have the highest regard for murphy and i do admit he has fallen away this year but i can also see the reasons why. As a whole most of our players were just going through the motions. They were played out of position, not motivated ect, lamenting the game plan and so on but we could see the turnaround in many of our players attitude and form because of a sudden found freedom and belief. Murphy is a proven star and one that will flourish back to his A game with this new found confidence and belief. if a player doesn't believe that they are being used to their potential it will be quite evident in their output as has been obvious in the first part of the year with most of our players. Murphy is a classy midfield runner which we are in badly need for. We has so many players turn around half a year of bad form in just one week due to a different direction i am sure Murphy will excel in this environment and structure. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:16 pm 
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redback wrote:
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redback wrote:
Murphy is our second most prolific mid. He was playing shit because our game was shit. He has put up with more than any other player ever since he has come into this team and deserves a bit of respect. Try putting up with the bumps and bruises he has been through for all of his playing career. fmd you guys no one was favoured by that shitty game plan look at what a week with freedom has done to the other players that were rubbished the whole year.


A lot of emotion in your post, (and good on you for caring), but it's the bit I've highlighted in red that I think is the important part when considering team selection.

I don't think it's disrespectful to his history at the club not to consider him an automatic selection.

Looks like injury might make the decision easier anyway.



I have the highest regard for murphy and i do admit he has fallen away this year but i can also see the reasons why. As a whole most of our players were just going through the motions. They were played out of position, not motivated ect, lamenting the game plan and so on but we could see the turnaround in many of our players attitude and form because of a sudden found freedom and belief. Murphy is a proven star and one that will flourish back to his A game with this new found confidence and belief. if a player doesn't believe that they are being used to their potential it will be quite evident in their output as has been obvious in the first part of the year with most of our players. Murphy is a classy midfield runner which we are in badly need for. We has so many players turn around half a year of bad form in just one week due to a different direction i am sure Murphy will excel in this environment and structure. :thumbsup:


Fair enough.

Lets see. I hope he does.

HI just hope he starts with improving disposal efficiency, then stop calling for the easy ball when hes in a worse position than the player with the ball, more accountable mindset (defense) and he strts to lay shepherds. I don't think he will ever improve his tackling. Might be his shoulders dont let him.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:04 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
redback wrote:
BigKev wrote:
redback wrote:
Murphy is our second most prolific mid. He was playing shit because our game was shit. He has put up with more than any other player ever since he has come into this team and deserves a bit of respect. Try putting up with the bumps and bruises he has been through for all of his playing career. fmd you guys no one was favoured by that shitty game plan look at what a week with freedom has done to the other players that were rubbished the whole year.


A lot of emotion in your post, (and good on you for caring), but it's the bit I've highlighted in red that I think is the important part when considering team selection.

I don't think it's disrespectful to his history at the club not to consider him an automatic selection.

Looks like injury might make the decision easier anyway.



I have the highest regard for murphy and i do admit he has fallen away this year but i can also see the reasons why. As a whole most of our players were just going through the motions. They were played out of position, not motivated ect, lamenting the game plan and so on but we could see the turnaround in many of our players attitude and form because of a sudden found freedom and belief. Murphy is a proven star and one that will flourish back to his A game with this new found confidence and belief. if a player doesn't believe that they are being used to their potential it will be quite evident in their output as has been obvious in the first part of the year with most of our players. Murphy is a classy midfield runner which we are in badly need for. We has so many players turn around half a year of bad form in just one week due to a different direction i am sure Murphy will excel in this environment and structure. :thumbsup:


Fair enough.

Lets see. I hope he does.

HI just hope he starts with improving disposal efficiency, then stop calling for the easy ball when hes in a worse position than the player with the ball, more accountable mindset (defense) and he strts to lay shepherds. I don't think he will ever improve his tackling. Might be his shoulders dont let him.

I agree bonding he hasn't been reliable and has taken the easy path but so have a lot of others but with a different structure and game plan the individuals have lifted to have a team first ethos and I expect Murphy to as well. If not then by all mean don't play favourites and don't make exceptions. I while heartedly hope teague does make the hard.calls and instills non negotiables. That's the only way forward. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:10 pm 
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Lots of love for Murphy but very few actually willing to name which kid they want to drop to let Murphy in.

Dow was mentioned which on overall form is a reasonable suggestion. But like Setters Dow plays in the middle and Murphy can’t play there anymore. So along with his selection we would have to make positional changes with existing players who played well last week.

Leave the respected ex captain out this week.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:12 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
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murphy can replace sps


Against the team that SPS annihilated with 35 quality possies last time. Genius move. Have you sent your CV to the club?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:19 pm 
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Springsteen wrote:
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murphy can replace sps


Against the team that SPS annihilated with 35 quality possies last time. Genius move. Have you sent your CV to the club?


yes

Glory days ... :razz:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:06 pm 
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If Murphy is fit, he plays. If the young players can carry the energy from last week into the game, Murph could really help us around goals. Get Cunningham & Murphy at the feet of our tall forwards. Play Gibbons high up the ground. Give Dow or Setterfield a rest, or O’Brien if his knee is still sore. All things being equal, I’d plump for Dow. He has carried a fair load over the past few months and had only 12 possessions last week.

In: Murphy
Out: Dow (managed)

B: Plowman Casboult Marchbank
HB: Simmo Weitering Thomas
C: Walsh Cripps SPS
HF: Cunningham C Curnow Gibbons
F: Murphy McGovern Harry

R: Kreuzer E Curnow Fisher

Inter: Jack, Newman, O’Brien, Setterfield

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:14 pm 
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it's good to see that Jack is not on the block. Obviously a sign he has lifted his pressure and support acts even though he isnt a prolific position getter or goal kicker. For many of us at the start of the year he (along with LOB) would have been the player most likely to have not made the cut in any discussion about who to drop.
Just good to see his improvement even when the team has struggled.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:19 pm 
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Crippa wrote:
Lots of love for Murphy but very few actually willing to name which kid they want to drop to let Murphy in.

Dow was mentioned which on overall form is a reasonable suggestion. But like Setters Dow plays in the middle and Murphy can’t play there anymore.


He's still ranked in our best 3 possession winners. From memory he played in the midfield against the Pies and did quite well.

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I got a bad feeling about this game......feel like we're going to be complacent again. Just want effort.....

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I am sorry Carlton Fans, but the new Coach/new game plan Honeymoon is OVER.

Its now back to the reality Check that we will most likely go back to our old habits and the Doggies will run all over us- easily will beat us by 6-7 goals if not more!


I pray that i am Wrong..... but just can't see us winning this game :(


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:02 pm 
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I am sorry Carlton Fans, but the new Coach/new game plan Honeymoon is OVER.

Its now back to the reality Check that we will most likely go back to our old habits and the Doggies will run all over us- easily will beat us by 6-7 goals if not more!


I pray that i am Wrong..... but just can't see us winning this game :(


I think I heard a stat on the weekend that stated when teams change coach their chance of winning the next week is around 50%

Week 2 drops to about 6-7% though.

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Bunks wrote:
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I am sorry Carlton Fans, but the new Coach/new game plan Honeymoon is OVER.

Its now back to the reality Check that we will most likely go back to our old habits and the Doggies will run all over us- easily will beat us by 6-7 goals if not more!


I pray that i am Wrong..... but just can't see us winning this game :(


I think I heard a stat on the weekend that stated when teams change coach their chance of winning the next week is around 50%

Week 2 drops to about 6-7% though.

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Well, Doggies have lost last 3, and their previous effort against West Coast was embarrassing, so on form, we Can win and we should Win, but again, history keeps repeating itself :(


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