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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:36 am 
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When the match committee sit down and select the team, I presume they look at each player and say....'What will he give us?' From that question I presume the committee each make comments about the player.

When you get to Garlett, and they want to play him in the backline..................I wonder who speaks first and I wonder what they say he will bring to the team.

I just wonder. :?: :?: :?: :?:

Carltons biggest problem for many years now, aside from actual lack of talent, is that we simply have very few players who actually B-Line ball in a ferocious, 'Get out my way' manner.

Every Richmond player B-lines the footy as if his life depends on it. They run hard and straight and they mow down whomever is in their way.

How many do we have that play in that fashion? No-where near enough to get the job done.

And after that we then have the old........1, 2, 3 possession, turnover. 1,2,3 possession, turnover. And tonight those 1,2, 3 possessions gained 30 metres sideways. Or when that didn't work we went out of the backline......1, 2. Hold, Hold, Hold, Hold, Hold. Kick long to a contest, outnumbered at the fall, turnover.

We are playing one of the best defenses in the game and each time from our HB line, we gave them 30 secs to set up properly, before we tried to hit a pinpoint pass over 30 metres, then turned it over to the swarm of gut running Tigers.

I'm hoping Blue Vain can explain our game plan to me with a crayon drawing because I am at a loss. I do get that if we didn't keep turning the ball over we might actually have some form of game plan so I guess Bolton has an out there, of sorts.

For mine I liked Walsh, Cuningham, McKay (not in the ruck) Setterfield and Fisher.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:40 am 
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Jones hit worthy of a fine IMO, but the footy media is campaigning hard for him to get weeks.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:41 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
Also, while I don’t wish serious injury on anyone, the reaction to Rance’s potential ACL is over the top. It’s like everyone’s in mourning.

Bloody good player for sure, but so far from “BEST FB EVARRRR!” it’s not funny. It’s pretty telling that Richmond’s defence tightened up after he went off, and the slobbering adulation he receives does a disservice to Astbury and Grimes, who are the real pillars back there.


Sort of agree......however 2001 final and Kouta.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:44 am 
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Heavs wrote:
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So who will be most stiff to miss out on an RS nom this week?

Walsh or Setterfield?


Not trying to recycle that old trope - but is Setterfield even eligible? He's 21 already isn't he?


He is because he was 20 at 1st Jan.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:50 am 
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Crippa wrote:
Effes wrote:
Quite a damning statistic

"Richmond was able to move the ball more effectively scoring 54-7 from defensive midfield chains"

Too often the ball was swept out of the forward line and went straight inside Richmond's forward 50.

Very good games from Weitering, Cripps, Newman, Setterfield, Walsh, Jones.



Just back from the game. Well actually just stepped in the cab.

They simply ran forward harder and smarter than us. They are a very good football side the Tigers.

I agree Weitering, Newman and Jones had very good games but that makes the above stats/facts interesting. Happy to persevere for a few weeks but Gartlett in defence isn’t great so far. He didn’t do anything silly but his man ran off him too easily.

I loved Sam Walsh but his man was playing NOWHERE near him. No respect yet but they will be forced to respect him soon enough.

Fish was amazing. So busy. Caught Dusty more than once.

I’ve been a massive Murphy critic in the past but I think he will do some good things on the outside this season. I was impressed by him for the first time tonight in a long time.

SPS has improved.

Dow was good but you just knew he was going to fluff that important set shot.

Good game. It felt more competitive than the scoreboard shows.

GO BLUES!!!


SPS was poor.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:52 am 
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Charlie stunk it up in JLT and stunk it up even more last night. He needs to learn it's not always going to be easy and he needs to fight for it. Too timid bordering on lazy.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:53 am 
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Surely Garrett's papers are stamped. Doesn't want to go get it and can't hit a target.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:55 am 
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The Curnow brothers were deadly tonight. Ed's disposals and taps to Richmond players, and Charlie's dropped chest marks, mistimed leaps could have been the difference.
I wouldn't be against Charlie getting a run in the 2s. I think his ego needs deflating.

I thought SPS was good except for him trying to kick no more than 15m.
Gov's touch got better. He will be good once his fitness builds. Very happy with mcKay.
Fasolo and Gibbons were liabilities really.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:00 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Charlie stunk it up in JLT and stunk it up even more last night. He needs to learn it's not always going to be easy and he needs to fight for it. Too timid bordering on lazy.



did have a poor game for sure but lazy? he ran 15km plus playing key forward....


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:08 am 
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Gibbons just played his first AFL game, as a forward, in Carlton’s forward line.

I reckon we can cut him a little slack


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:09 am 
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Hated our along the boundary line play - times we could have been brave with an option in side but we played safe and it cost us every time.
Hated our lack of forward pressure
Hated our lack of speed - though i felt we did correct this for a time in the 2nd and 3rd.
Loved our efforts around the contest - Setterfield is a beauty!
Walsh - boy he's going to be as much fun to watch as Cripps.
Harry is not a ruck but he sure is a forward.
Weiters was great tonight.
C.Curnow - maybe try him back?
E.Curnow - midfield tagger, nothing else.
Hated Our kick ins - gutless little chips.
Loved the fight and spirit for the middle 2 quarters - I thought those missed shots hurt us.
Nankervous 3!!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:29 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
So who will be most stiff to miss out on an RS nom this week?

Walsh or Setterfield?

Walsh.
Setterfield was impressive but for mine Walsh was super impressive.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:32 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Surely Garrett's papers are stamped. Doesn't want to go get it and can't hit a target.

Not burning the midnite oil?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:34 am 
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DesEnglish wrote:
Gibbons just played his first AFL game, as a forward, in Carlton’s forward line.

I reckon we can cut him a little slack

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What’s with the booing of Rance when he did his knee ???
Pretty shit I reckon.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:46 am 
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Rexy wrote:
What’s with the booing of Rance when he did his knee ???
Pretty shit I reckon.


Yeah, that's [REDACTED] if that happened.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:55 am 
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camelboy wrote:
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What’s with the booing of Rance when he did his knee ???
Pretty shit I reckon.


Yeah, that's [REDACTED] if that happened.

They were just booing him for milking free kicks. isn't that the standard answer?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:56 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
When the match committee sit down and select the team, I presume they look at each player and say....'What will he give us?' From that question I presume the committee each make comments about the player.

When you get to Garlett, and they want to play him in the backline..................I wonder who speaks first and I wonder what they say he will bring to the team.

I just wonder. :?: :?: :?: :?:

Carltons biggest problem for many years now, aside from actual lack of talent, is that we simply have very few players who actually B-Line ball in a ferocious, 'Get out my way' manner.

Every Richmond player B-lines the footy as if his life depends on it. They run hard and straight and they mow down whomever is in their way.

How many do we have that play in that fashion? No-where near enough to get the job done.

And after that we then have the old........1, 2, 3 possession, turnover. 1,2,3 possession, turnover. And tonight those 1,2, 3 possessions gained 30 metres sideways. Or when that didn't work we went out of the backline......1, 2. Hold, Hold, Hold, Hold, Hold. Kick long to a contest, outnumbered at the fall, turnover.

We are playing one of the best defenses in the game and each time from our HB line, we gave them 30 secs to set up properly, before we tried to hit a pinpoint pass over 30 metres, then turned it over to the swarm of gut running Tigers.

I'm hoping Blue Vain can explain our game plan to me with a crayon drawing because I am at a loss. I do get that if we didn't keep turning the ball over we might actually have some form of game plan so I guess Bolton has an out there, of sorts.

For mine I liked Walsh, Cuningham, McKay (not in the ruck) Setterfield and Fisher.

Regards Cazzesman
I agree with the B-line statement.
We have maybe half a dozen who run straight lines
Kruez Jones Cripps Thomas Simpson and to a certain extent JSOS.
Haven't seen enough of McGovern yet.
But the rest shirk
The midfield just gets rag dolled at the moment.
Fisher Dow SPS Cunningham and Murphy just brushed aside.
Need some size in the middle

And if Bolton thinks that on this planet Garlett can hold his place on the HB it shows he doesn't have a clue

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:00 am 
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Rexy wrote:
What’s with the booing of Rance when he did his knee ???
Pretty shit I reckon.



That came after his whinging for a a free kick after McKay outmuscled him in a marking contest, and he was dirty his usual swan dive didn’t result in a free kick, still it was very poor.

I have enormous respect for Alex Rance, enormous respect.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:06 am 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
robertbb wrote:
Just got home from the game:
Newman can play... will be very handy this year, and should partner up well with Doc when he's back.
C Curnow had an absolute stinker.
Walsh looked a bit out of sorts early but to his credit he worked his way into it and showed some good glimpses. Good size and will be very, very good!
I'm concerned about Paddy Dow ... looked a few steps behind on a number of occasions and kicking let him down (again)
SPS unsighted... needs to run more
Did Garlett even play?
Fisher's a little terrier - brought down Martin a few times which is hard to do
Setterfield will be excellent - he's a good size!
Bit quieter from Cunningham than had hoped

Congratulations to Murph, but I think he's cooked.

Remember: Richmond is a top 4 side, and just picked up Lynch! We had a lot of kids out there and have the makings of a very, very good side... develop them well and anything can happen.



Cunners no 1 ranked player on the ground at HT, excellent in the 2nd qtr.

Harsh on SPS imo too.


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I thought SPS worked hard and did some v good things. And IMO, Dow has shown definite improvement.
I was most impressed with big Harry as I see him as central to our future prospects - and I am becoming more comfortable that he will be the guy we hoped and need.
Cunners is proving me wrong - I didn’t think he could make it.
And I really loved the way we tried to keep the ball moving forward. Mostly.

If I had to narrow it down to one thing, I think Richmond ran much harder and with more intensity ball and without it. Esp what I’d call the first 5m and the last 5m of a chase or out of/towards a contest.


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