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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:28 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
So how do you propose these wins magically appear?


Maybe get Bolts to stand on a milk crate?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:35 am 
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Think of it like this:

GWS came into the competition with a bunch of talented young players supported by some veterans.

In 2012 they won 2 games. Their average losing margin was about 10 goals.
In 2013 they won 1 game. Their average losing margin was about 8 goals.
In 2014 they won 6 games. Their average losing margin was about 5 goals.
In 2015 they won 11 games. Their average losing margin was about 4 goals.
In 2016 they won 16 and made a prelim. Their average losing margin was about 3 goals.
In 2017 they won 14 (and drew 2) and made a prelim. Their average losing margin was about 4 goals.

We have essentially started again, but without the draft concessions. We currently have a talented core of youngsters with some veterans a few journeymen. We're three years into the Bolton-era rebuild.

You can see where I'm going with this, yes?



That Carlton will start raiding our list? :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:35 am 
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Jones took 10 intercept marks. Equal most with Tahlia. I think that’s the most for the season or even equal most taken period

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:29 am 
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Jones took 10 intercept marks. Equal most with Tahlia. I think that’s the most for the season or even equal most taken period
Go talk to Simon Goodwin about stats .Melbourne smashed Port in every aspect of football and lost
Imagine if Jones had taken all those marks in the forward 50

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:43 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
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Jones took 10 intercept marks. Equal most with Tahlia. I think that’s the most for the season or even equal most taken period
Go talk to Simon Goodwin about stats .Melbourne smashed Port in every aspect of football and lost
Imagine if Jones had taken all those marks in the forward 50

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And do you think Rowe would have taken those marks down back and prevented those goals?

Melb V Port stats are irrelevant to this discussion. Jones took them Rowe probably not

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:01 am 
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Crippa wrote:

Give us a positive Sydney. What is the club doing right?



Very little. SOS gets a pass mark, as our last few drafts, he's killed it. he's probably gone too far with the list, getting rid of players like boek, buckley etc and bringing in utter deadweights like mullet and oh-no, which brings his mark down a little.

other than that, maybe sav rocca for giving Levi some hope with his set shots.

the rest is dire.

Bolton is in a results driven business, and no one alive thought we'd be 1-12 with a percentage hovering around 60%. more than the figures, it's the eye test week-to-week where bolton is failing. our effort this year has been down on last year's. there's games where we haven't turned up. parlay that with the poor structural tactics in the first quarter of the season where our defence was guarding grass instead of men. and it's been bad.

the board. Letting neil craig go without a ready-made replacement was a big mistake. perhaps the biggest mistake of this season so far.

same with the Trigg deal. no one is still really sure why Trigg was let go, but so far Liddle has been invisible.

our development. several key players have been down this season. weitering the most obvious.

our medical team. not sure what the stats are as of right now, but last time i checked cfc had more injured players through re-injury than any other club in the league. anecdotally, i feel like we've led the league in this since the early 2000's. at some point our injuries cannot be regarded as all bad luck, but bad management, yeah?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:11 am 
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bluechampion wrote:
Think of it like this:

GWS came into the competition with a bunch of talented young players supported by some veterans.

In 2012 they won 2 games. Their average losing margin was about 10 goals.
In 2013 they won 1 game. Their average losing margin was about 8 goals.
In 2014 they won 6 games. Their average losing margin was about 5 goals.
In 2015 they won 11 games. Their average losing margin was about 4 goals.
In 2016 they won 16 and made a prelim. Their average losing margin was about 3 goals.
In 2017 they won 14 (and drew 2) and made a prelim. Their average losing margin was about 4 goals.

We have essentially started again, but without the draft concessions. We currently have a talented core of youngsters with some veterans a few journeymen. We're three years into the Bolton-era rebuild.

You can see where I'm going with this, yes?


GWS average age was under 22 years in their 1st year and we have so far won one less game.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:59 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Crippa wrote:

Give us a positive Sydney. What is the club doing right?



Very little. SOS gets a pass mark, as our last few drafts, he's killed it. he's probably gone too far with the list, getting rid of players like boek, buckley etc and bringing in utter deadweights like mullet and oh-no, which brings his mark down a little.

other than that, maybe sav rocca for giving Levi some hope with his set shots.

the rest is dire.

Bolton is in a results driven business, and no one alive thought we'd be 1-12 with a percentage hovering around 60%. more than the figures, it's the eye test week-to-week where bolton is failing. our effort this year has been down on last year's. there's games where we haven't turned up. parlay that with the poor structural tactics in the first quarter of the season where our defence was guarding grass instead of men. and it's been bad.

the board. Letting neil craig go without a ready-made replacement was a big mistake. perhaps the biggest mistake of this season so far.

same with the Trigg deal. no one is still really sure why Trigg was let go, but so far Liddle has been invisible.

our development. several key players have been down this season. weitering the most obvious.

our medical team. not sure what the stats are as of right now, but last time i checked cfc had more injured players through re-injury than any other club in the league. anecdotally, i feel like we've led the league in this since the early 2000's. at some point our injuries cannot be regarded as all bad luck, but bad management, yeah?


Yeah.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:04 pm 
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Well andy mckay just resigned, that should make a few happy!


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:31 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Crippa wrote:

Give us a positive Sydney. What is the club doing right?



Very little. SOS gets a pass mark, as our last few drafts, he's killed it. he's probably gone too far with the list, getting rid of players like boek, buckley etc and bringing in utter deadweights like mullet and oh-no, which brings his mark down a little.

other than that, maybe sav rocca for giving Levi some hope with his set shots.

the rest is dire.

Bolton is in a results driven business, and no one alive thought we'd be 1-12 with a percentage hovering around 60%. more than the figures, it's the eye test week-to-week where bolton is failing. our effort this year has been down on last year's. there's games where we haven't turned up. parlay that with the poor structural tactics in the first quarter of the season where our defence was guarding grass instead of men. and it's been bad.

the board. Letting neil craig go without a ready-made replacement was a big mistake. perhaps the biggest mistake of this season so far.

same with the Trigg deal. no one is still really sure why Trigg was let go, but so far Liddle has been invisible.

our development. several key players have been down this season. weitering the most obvious.

our medical team. not sure what the stats are as of right now, but last time i checked cfc had more injured players through re-injury than any other club in the league. anecdotally, i feel like we've led the league in this since the early 2000's. at some point our injuries cannot be regarded as all bad luck, but bad management, yeah?


Not necessarily.
Your argument is overly simplistic. You can't blame Docherty's knee on bad management or Pickett's broken wrist.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:00 pm 
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I for one blame Docherty's knee on Pickett's broken wrist.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:37 pm 
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There is a bit of talk on BF that we are interested in Sam Mitchell as an assistant.
Tom Browne tweeted that Mitchell may look to come back to Victoria next year.
He would be a good get.


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You can't blame Docherty's knee on bad management or Pickett's broken wrist.


He can.

And he will.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:22 pm 
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I for one blame Docherty's knee on Pickett's broken wrist.

I blame Pickett's broken wrist on Docherty's knee.

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kezza wrote:
There is a bit of talk on BF that we are interested in Sam Mitchell as an assistant.
Tom Browne tweeted that Mitchell may look to come back to Victoria next year.
He would be a good get.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:31 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Crippa wrote:

Give us a positive Sydney. What is the club doing right?



Very little. SOS gets a pass mark, as our last few drafts, he's killed it. he's probably gone too far with the list, getting rid of players like boek, buckley etc and bringing in utter deadweights like mullet and oh-no, which brings his mark down a little.

other than that, maybe sav rocca for giving Levi some hope with his set shots.

the rest is dire.

Bolton is in a results driven business, and no one alive thought we'd be 1-12 with a percentage hovering around 60%. more than the figures, it's the eye test week-to-week where bolton is failing. our effort this year has been down on last year's. there's games where we haven't turned up. parlay that with the poor structural tactics in the first quarter of the season where our defence was guarding grass instead of men. and it's been bad.

the board. Letting neil craig go without a ready-made replacement was a big mistake. perhaps the biggest mistake of this season so far.

same with the Trigg deal. no one is still really sure why Trigg was let go, but so far Liddle has been invisible.

our development. several key players have been down this season. weitering the most obvious.

our medical team. not sure what the stats are as of right now, but last time i checked cfc had more injured players through re-injury than any other club in the league. anecdotally, i feel like we've led the league in this since the early 2000's. at some point our injuries cannot be regarded as all bad luck, but bad management, yeah?


It depends on the TPP impact of those changes too. We don’t tend to look at our rebuild in terms of TPP r structuring, that’s a huge component.

If Buckley, Boek etc we’re let go on an average AFL wage, and we bring in cheaper one year contracts, it makes sense why he did that.


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yeah true. if there was financial implication to those decisions it would make sense.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:07 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Crippa wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Would you give OShea 5 years
Bolton could well be the OShea of coaches
Why would you make an assessment on a players performance over 2 to 3 years but give the coach longer


The people within the club are the ones giving him extra time. Surely they would understand his performance far better than you or I. IMHO, they've made relatively good decisions to date, I'm happy to back them in on this one.
Bolton makes more errors each week than Oshea does
Yesterday it was a no brainer that Jones should have taken on the Rowe role.
Rowe was never going to change anything up.
Jones could have set the place alight

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Hahahaha LOL! You are something else Sydney. It amazes me people still waste their time trying to reason with you.

You don't rate the coach.
You don't rate the list strategy.
You don't rate the game day strategy.
You don't rate the current/new Carlton.
Why are you still here again?
They are coming last or don't you look at results.
And no I don't rate them
If you rate a team coming last with a % of 60
You are the fool not me

There is only one stat that matters wins and losses

Sometimes I wonder why I come here myself reading over and over again how good we are or how good we are going to be.
I have been reading it for a very long time and laugh at how gullible some people can be


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Based on that, how do you think Coll are travelling?
They've won 2 flags in 60 years
They are a basketcase

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:38 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Crippa wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Would you give OShea 5 years
Bolton could well be the OShea of coaches
Why would you make an assessment on a players performance over 2 to 3 years but give the coach longer


The people within the club are the ones giving him extra time. Surely they would understand his performance far better than you or I. IMHO, they've made relatively good decisions to date, I'm happy to back them in on this one.
Bolton makes more errors each week than Oshea does
Yesterday it was a no brainer that Jones should have taken on the Rowe role.
Rowe was never going to change anything up.
Jones could have set the place alight

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Hahahaha LOL! You are something else Sydney. It amazes me people still waste their time trying to reason with you.

You don't rate the coach.
You don't rate the list strategy.
You don't rate the game day strategy.
You don't rate the current/new Carlton.
Why are you still here again?
They are coming last or don't you look at results.
And no I don't rate them
If you rate a team coming last with a % of 60
You are the fool not me

There is only one stat that matters wins and losses

Sometimes I wonder why I come here myself reading over and over again how good we are or how good we are going to be.
I have been reading it for a very long time and laugh at how gullible some people can be


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I didn't actually call you a fool. Maybe that's your subcontious talking? Feeling silly supporting a club you don't rate in any way?

At least we agree wins are the most important end goal. Granted this season has been far poorer than any of us would have hoped for and none of us are enjoying it, but I think we are on the right track.

Bolts hasn't lost any games for us. SOS continues to assemble the right cattle with predominantly good decisions. Last years draft crop will hit their stride next year and this years will be close behind them. That couldn't be said with the same realism over the last 5 years. We have only recently got our selections right. The solution to our previous poor draft decisions is in our trades at the end of this season but we all know attracting players will be hard.....but not impossible. The challenge is there. Let's see how well we do.

Chin up Syd. We will be fine.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:37 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Crippa wrote:

Give us a positive Sydney. What is the club doing right?



Very little. SOS gets a pass mark, as our last few drafts, he's killed it. he's probably gone too far with the list, getting rid of players like boek, buckley etc and bringing in utter deadweights like mullet and oh-no, which brings his mark down a little.

other than that, maybe sav rocca for giving Levi some hope with his set shots.

the rest is dire.

Bolton is in a results driven business, and no one alive thought we'd be 1-12 with a percentage hovering around 60%. more than the figures, it's the eye test week-to-week where bolton is failing. our effort this year has been down on last year's. there's games where we haven't turned up. parlay that with the poor structural tactics in the first quarter of the season where our defence was guarding grass instead of men. and it's been bad.

the board. Letting neil craig go without a ready-made replacement was a big mistake. perhaps the biggest mistake of this season so far.

same with the Trigg deal. no one is still really sure why Trigg was let go, but so far Liddle has been invisible.

our development. several key players have been down this season. weitering the most obvious.

our medical team. not sure what the stats are as of right now, but last time i checked cfc had more injured players through re-injury than any other club in the league. anecdotally, i feel like we've led the league in this since the early 2000's. at some point our injuries cannot be regarded as all bad luck, but bad management, yeah?


Those are all understandable points.

But the other side of the Liddle point is when he has spoken publicly a handful of times he has spoken very well and represented the club very well. Besides, where does it say to be a good in his job he has to be on media street constantly?

The Wietering point is a good one but the club's management of him back to the reserves followed by his good performance when he returned to the firsts is more of a tick than a cross in my book.

But at the end of the day, we all expected better than 1-12. Thin cattle list or not. I'm hopeful the return of two players in particular will help. Marchbank and Pickett.


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