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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:54 pm 
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The problem with getting in this gigantic hole of midfield abyss, is the danger of just getting any mid in the right age bracket.
That could be a disaster because to eventually win a flag that midfield has to be up there with the best. A patchwork is not gonna cut it.
I'd pass on Guthrie, Wallis perhaps. Gaff, yes please!


Also seriously look at Dylan Shiel .... is quick and can get his own ball

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“If we care about the game then the AFL have to intervene.” Says Hutchy on Footy Classified...,is he referring to Carlton’s abyss?

Think again, he’s thinking about Gold Coast.

So here we go again, the AFL has to intervene for Sydney, Brisbane, GWS, Gold Coast, but never Carlton. This club has won 1 game!!!...why the double standards?

By the way, 20 years ago I had some sympathy for caring “about the game”. Not any longer


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Footy Classified 04/06/18

Hutchy, Lloydy both think it is justified "to get a flag" for Marc Murphy to leave Carlton, but Hutchy and mates at the same time think it is important for the AFL to step in to prevent Tom Lynch leaving GC "to get a flag".

Go figure. Carlton is expendable in the AFL world. There is no concern for the Blues amongst the wider football world.

Murphy - stay at Carlton. That is my preference.

Which club is he GUARANTEED of getting a flag at?
There is no guarantee.

Coaching changes, injuries, run of form - there are so many variables that make up a premiership team.

Could he go to Geelong (like 20 other Carlton players)...well maybe they have a chance with Ablett. What happens without Ablett?
Without Dangerfield? Injuries? Will their young players stand up in finals? They are at least guaranteed finals action.

What about Sydney? Is he willing to go to Sydney to chase his flag? Again, if Franklin or Kennedy is injured. What happens then?
Can they play as well at MCG as SCG?
etc, etc.

North Melbourne perhaps? They are a flag chance. Last year they were down the bottom. They have a good coach though...so that makes a difference. They have a small window though with so many older players. Is he willing to make that move without any guarantees?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Hutchy is usually spot on with his mail. He has strong connections and some of the best inside knowledge. He usually feeds other journos (i.e. Caro and Barrett) and stays silent on issues. If he thinks Murphy should go then he knows something is brewing.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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tap in 79 wrote:
“If we care about the game then the AFL have to intervene.” Says Hutchy on Footy Classified...,is he referring to Carlton’s abyss?

Think again, he’s thinking about Gold Coast.

So here we go again, the AFL has to intervene for Sydney, Brisbane, GWS, Gold Coast, but never Carlton. This club has won 1 game!!!...why the double standards?

By the way, 20 years ago I had some sympathy for caring “about the game”. Not any longer



if we cared about the game we'd fold up GC and GWS and possibly whoever is the poorest melbourne club. this league is at its best when there's 14-15 teams and the talent pool isn't diluted to the extent it is.

5-6k a game at GC and not much more at GWS home games. the afl wouldn't miss them or their garish colours.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Braithy wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
“If we care about the game then the AFL have to intervene.” Says Hutchy on Footy Classified...,is he referring to Carlton’s abyss?

Think again, he’s thinking about Gold Coast.

So here we go again, the AFL has to intervene for Sydney, Brisbane, GWS, Gold Coast, but never Carlton. This club has won 1 game!!!...why the double standards?

By the way, 20 years ago I had some sympathy for caring “about the game”. Not any longer



if we cared about the game we'd fold up GC and GWS and possibly whoever is the poorest melbourne club. this league is at its best when there's 14-15 teams and the talent pool isn't diluted to the extent it is.

5-6k a game at GC and not much more at GWS home games. the afl wouldn't miss them or their garish colours.


The AFL will continue to throw good money at bad investments.
It will take decades to get a foothold in the rugby territories of Western sydney and gold coast, and that's not guranteed.
...at the detriment of other teams.

The AFL has been warned they are losing generations of players.

My kids love Carlton, but it is interesting how they are loving basketball, soccer and even hockey. Carlton may become a hobby or side interest for them. They aren't keen on Swans or other AFL teams. I think they feel dudded having heard their old man's seething criticism of the AFL: what it has done and doing to Carlton. It's not a pretty picture.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
“If we care about the game then the AFL have to intervene.” Says Hutchy on Footy Classified...,is he referring to Carlton’s abyss?

Think again, he’s thinking about Gold Coast.

So here we go again, the AFL has to intervene for Sydney, Brisbane, GWS, Gold Coast, but never Carlton. This club has won 1 game!!!...why the double standards?

By the way, 20 years ago I had some sympathy for caring “about the game”. Not any longer



if we cared about the game we'd fold up GC and GWS and possibly whoever is the poorest melbourne club. this league is at its best when there's 14-15 teams and the talent pool isn't diluted to the extent it is.

5-6k a game at GC and not much more at GWS home games. the afl wouldn't miss them or their garish colours.


The AFL will continue to throw good money at bad investments.
It will take decades to get a foothold in the rugby territories of Western sydney and gold coast, and that's not guranteed.
...at the detriment of other teams.

The AFL has been warned they are losing generations of players.

My kids love Carlton, but it is interesting how they are loving basketball, soccer and even hockey. Carlton may become a hobby or side interest for them. They aren't keen on Swans or other AFL teams. I think they feel dudded having heard their old man's seething criticism of the AFL: what it has done and doing to Carlton. It's not a pretty picture.


I am a bit the same. I thought at first I loved the game of Australian football. It isn't the case anymore. I just love Carlton. So the AFL think that they can just get eyeballs on other games if your team isn't doing well. I don't do that. I have taken up watching Major League Baseball....a game I knew nothing about about 2-3 years ago.

I watch Footy Classified& On the Couch (cause Healy is sympathetic to Carlton's cause) and that's about it. I might watch 20 minutes of a random game and then lose interest. I don't buy into the hype of marquee games - I don't watch Dreamtime, QB Coll vs Melb etc..it just doesn't interest me.


I think Hutchison is a real power broker in the AFL and to see his dismissive attitude towards Carlton as a club and the lack of respect him and his comperes have towards the club is a real insight. This statement from Hutchison is so condescending not only about Murphy but also Carlton. ie just let Murphy walk, your club is meaningless.

Hutchison basically says in the following para- Your club is a product line for other clubs to recruit from, accept your fate, but in the same show he points out how important it is GC keep Lynch. The hypocrisy is breath-taking. These are his words:

"Do you need him (Murphy) versus rip the bandaid off let him go and play in a successful era before his time is over and get on with the next draft of players for the blues. Are you mature enough as a club to have a mature conversation”


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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tap in 79 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
“If we care about the game then the AFL have to intervene.” Says Hutchy on Footy Classified...,is he referring to Carlton’s abyss?

Think again, he’s thinking about Gold Coast.

So here we go again, the AFL has to intervene for Sydney, Brisbane, GWS, Gold Coast, but never Carlton. This club has won 1 game!!!...why the double standards?

By the way, 20 years ago I had some sympathy for caring “about the game”. Not any longer



if we cared about the game we'd fold up GC and GWS and possibly whoever is the poorest melbourne club. this league is at its best when there's 14-15 teams and the talent pool isn't diluted to the extent it is.

5-6k a game at GC and not much more at GWS home games. the afl wouldn't miss them or their garish colours.


The AFL will continue to throw good money at bad investments.
It will take decades to get a foothold in the rugby territories of Western sydney and gold coast, and that's not guranteed.
...at the detriment of other teams.

The AFL has been warned they are losing generations of players.

My kids love Carlton, but it is interesting how they are loving basketball, soccer and even hockey. Carlton may become a hobby or side interest for them. They aren't keen on Swans or other AFL teams. I think they feel dudded having heard their old man's seething criticism of the AFL: what it has done and doing to Carlton. It's not a pretty picture.


I am a bit the same. I thought at first I loved the game of Australian football. It isn't the case anymore. I just love Carlton. So the AFL think that they can just get eyeballs on other games if your team isn't doing well. I don't do that. I have taken up watching Major League Baseball....a game I knew nothing about about 2-3 years ago.

I watch Footy Classified& On the Couch (cause Healy is sympathetic to Carlton's cause) and that's about it. I might watch 20 minutes of a random game and then lose interest. I don't buy into the hype of marquee games - I don't watch Dreamtime, QB Coll vs Melb etc..it just doesn't interest me.


I think Hutchison is a real power broker in the AFL and to see his dismissive attitude towards Carlton as a club and the lack of respect him and his comperes have towards the club is a real insight. This statement from Hutchison is so condescending not only about Murphy but also Carlton. ie just let Murphy walk, your club is meaningless.

Hutchison basically says in the following para- Your club is a product line for other clubs to recruit from, accept your fate, but in the same show he points out how important it is GC keep Lynch. The hypocrisy is breath-taking. These are his words:

"Do you need him (Murphy) versus rip the bandaid off let him go and play in a successful era before his time is over and get on with the next draft of players for the blues. Are you mature enough as a club to have a mature conversation”


Considering how we handled Gibbs' desire to move back to Adelaide I think that Hutchison is being a bit insulting here. It is my desire and belief that the club will take the same approach with Murphy, (whether he'd prefer to stay or go), and both parties will be happy with the outcome.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:02 pm 
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Just because Hutchy has made some money in spite of himself doesn't mean he is that bright - yes he is connected and has access and is how he made his money but smart articulate or intelligent no :eek:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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frank dardew wrote:
Just because Hutchy has made some money in spite of himself doesn't mean he is that bright - yes he is connected and has access and is how he made his money but smart articulate or intelligent no :eek:


HUTCHY = DORK of the highest order

I dislike people of his kind. A lot.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Talk of us tonight on Channel 7 news about talking to Nick Haynes' (GWS) manager.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Really? Haynes is a 26 year-old 192cm Defender who has played just shy of 100 games. He's a decent player, but he seems the last type we need.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Didn’t see footy classified, but I don’t see anything wrong with Hutchy’s comments going on the abov posts. He’s suggesting the best way for our club to get stronger is to keep attacking the draft and build for the future. What is incorrect about that?

Lynch’s free agency and Murphy’s free agency are not the same. It far more important to GC that they keep Lynch than it is for us to keep Murphy. This is the case for both on and off field reasons.

Turning that into an ‘AFL is anti-Carlton’, ‘game is stuffed’ commentary is a mighty stretch.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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cecil89 wrote:
Didn’t see footy classified, but I don’t see anything wrong with Hutchy’s comments going on the abov posts. He’s suggesting the best way for our club to get stronger is to keep attacking the draft and build for the future. What is incorrect about that?

Lynch’s free agency and Murphy’s free agency are not the same. It far more important to GC that they keep Lynch than it is for us to keep Murphy. This is the case for both on and off field reasons.

Turning that into an ‘AFL is anti-Carlton’, ‘game is stuffed’ commentary is a mighty stretch.


So GC need Lynch far more than Carlton needs Murphy whilst
Carlton on one win out of 10 or so games vs GC on 5? wins needs to go to the well of a “rebuild” far more than GC.

Hutchy is basically arguing that Carlton should strip itself of a reliable, proven performer offering senior direction to gamble on picking up a potential Luke Livingston or a Kane Tenace.

Hutchy seems to believe the draft is a proven way to get success. It isn’t. This is a competition where other factors impact eg free agency, trading, reputation, money, afl support or otherwise all impact.

If you can’t see the condescending attitude in what Hutchy said maybe you should watch the whole show, as perhaps I haven’t outlined it well enough. The situation is dire, dramatic, drastic at GC according to Hutchy,but all good at Carlton. On win/loss the facts indicate otherwise


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Also heard David King on Foxtel ... in particular 2 points stood out.

1. Carlton must get Ollie Wines to help Cripps ... I tend to agree.
2. GC must get a priority pick if Lynch leaves ... laughable. (if he is talking compensation + priority pick)

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Also heard David King on Foxtel ... in particular 2 points stood out.

1. Carlton must get Ollie Wines to help Cripps ... I tend to agree.
2. GC must get a priority pick if Lynch leaves ... laughable. (if he is talking compensation + priority pick)

Followed on from Mark MacLure saying Hawks had a shocking F50 to goal ratio. What's the bet Lynch ends up at Hawks next year? That's what FA was designed to do, keep top teams in the finals.
Also, Bucks was quick to say Lynch should be master of his own destiny.
There's another suitor.
I agree about Wines but it will be hard to pry him out of Port. Imagine K Cornes!

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BigBlueWave wrote:
Also heard David King on Foxtel ... in particular 2 points stood out.

1. Carlton must get Ollie Wines to help Cripps ... I tend to agree.
2. GC must get a priority pick if Lynch leaves ... laughable. (if he is talking compensation + priority pick)


I cannot see how Brisbane and GC won't get a PP. The AFL are under pressure to do anything and everything to help football in QLD.

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tap in 79 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
“If we care about the game then the AFL have to intervene.” Says Hutchy on Footy Classified...,is he referring to Carlton’s abyss?

Think again, he’s thinking about Gold Coast.

So here we go again, the AFL has to intervene for Sydney, Brisbane, GWS, Gold Coast, but never Carlton. This club has won 1 game!!!...why the double standards?

By the way, 20 years ago I had some sympathy for caring “about the game”. Not any longer



if we cared about the game we'd fold up GC and GWS and possibly whoever is the poorest melbourne club. this league is at its best when there's 14-15 teams and the talent pool isn't diluted to the extent it is.

5-6k a game at GC and not much more at GWS home games. the afl wouldn't miss them or their garish colours.


The AFL will continue to throw good money at bad investments.
It will take decades to get a foothold in the rugby territories of Western sydney and gold coast, and that's not guranteed.
...at the detriment of other teams.

The AFL has been warned they are losing generations of players.

My kids love Carlton, but it is interesting how they are loving basketball, soccer and even hockey. Carlton may become a hobby or side interest for them. They aren't keen on Swans or other AFL teams. I think they feel dudded having heard their old man's seething criticism of the AFL: what it has done and doing to Carlton. It's not a pretty picture.


I am a bit the same. I thought at first I loved the game of Australian football. It isn't the case anymore. I just love Carlton. So the AFL think that they can just get eyeballs on other games if your team isn't doing well. I don't do that. I have taken up watching Major League Baseball....a game I knew nothing about about 2-3 years ago.

I watch Footy Classified& On the Couch (cause Healy is sympathetic to Carlton's cause) and that's about it. I might watch 20 minutes of a random game and then lose interest. I don't buy into the hype of marquee games - I don't watch Dreamtime, QB Coll vs Melb etc..it just doesn't interest me.


I think Hutchison is a real power broker in the AFL and to see his dismissive attitude towards Carlton as a club and the lack of respect him and his comperes have towards the club is a real insight. This statement from Hutchison is so condescending not only about Murphy but also Carlton. ie just let Murphy walk, your club is meaningless.

Hutchison basically says in the following para- Your club is a product line for other clubs to recruit from, accept your fate, but in the same show he points out how important it is GC keep Lynch. The hypocrisy is breath-taking. These are his words:

"Do you need him (Murphy) versus rip the bandaid off let him go and play in a successful era before his time is over and get on with the next draft of players for the blues. Are you mature enough as a club to have a mature conversation”


i think you give him far to much credit.


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Imagine K Cornes!


Upsetting that gimp would be awesome.

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Priority picks won’t help them, standing for something as a club will. 20+ first round picks already in that list.


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