Blue Vain wrote:
BigKev wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
BigKev wrote:
How many players have decided to forego "reasonable contracts" elsewhere because they wanted to stay at Carlton and be part of the next premiership? How about none.
Winning the wooden spoon is not a recipe for long term success. If you look at recent premiers the only team to have one is the W. Bulldogs (2003). The most successful clubs this century, (Hawthorn, Sydney, Geelong), haven't seen one in decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_A ... den_spoonsHow would you know how many players have rejected reasonable contracts elsewhere to stay.
There could be 10? Didn't Kreuzer reject a big contract from GWS to stay?
Some of you blokes are panicking about the wooden spoon. Craig didn't say we are looking to win the spoon. He only said avoiding it isn't our primary focus. Development is. Surely thats the appropriate way to go.
Secondly, we're second bottom, not in wooden spoon position.
As for your rubbish about other clubs. Hawthorn finished second bottom in 2004. Exactly where we are now.
The 2004 draft netted them Roughead from their priority pick and Franklin from their first pick. That didn't seem to destroy their attempts at long term success or compromise their culture.
We should be focussing on developing and fast tracking the players. Whatever it takes to achieve long term success as soon as possible should be our focus.
Not worrying about sooky supporters worrying what people will say about finishing 1 or 2 spots lower on the ladder.
I'd like to debate you BV but I'm not 100% sure what you're actually saying.
It sounds like your taking great comfort in us being in spoon territory because this shows that we're concentrating on developing and fast tracking players?
Maybe it's because we're just not very good.
That's where you're confused. I take no comfort in where we finish unless it's vying for a premiership.
If we aren't contending, then I want us to be building a list to contend. Where we finish whilst that is happening is irrelevant.
But like Neil Craig said, we can't have that objective being delayed or derailed by worrying about whether we finish 17th or 18th.
The focus is building a list to take us to a premiership. If the club continues on that path with conviction, I'll let the negative types take great comfort in finishing 1 spot above the bottom. As long as their negativity doesn't deter the club from what's important.
And if the rebuild doesn't work.
Do you start all over again.
The club could go to the wall whilst you keep building and rebuilding.
Going to the draft and playing youth is not a sure fire way that will lead you to success.
It can and quite often fails .
If the club continues to get it wrong as we have done in the past . What is this rebuild MK3 since 2002 .
It is negligent of the club in a professional competition to not put the best side on the park each week that will put them in a position to win.
Using development is a poor excuse for poor performance.
Club is at a loss to explain why membership is so low.
They just need to look at results.
This is a business not an experimental lab
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