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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:14 pm 
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jim wrote:
I get scared when we have the ball. When you get it 250 times a games that's alot of stress.


That made me laugh. Couldn't agree more! Nobody should ever be satisfied with a loss but I expected worse and enjoyed a few great moments in that game. It was an improvement on last week. As long as we keep growing and improving week after week I am at least satisfied we are on the right path.


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bondiblue wrote:
jim wrote:
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We need desperately need another strong forward - JK anyone? Is Harry ready?


We do but who'd volunteer to play forward for us the way we bring it into the F50.


That is so true and what it tells me we haven't got those speedy outside runners, like the Hills, Isaac Smith types which I'm sure Murphy is suited for.

The point is we can do better forward post Casboult and for now he is what we have.

I thought Casboult was pushed off the ball readily through out the game.
He didn't show enough strength imo.
Small men pushed him off his line.
I'm guessing is he's become too predictable: too one dimensional.


Just hasn't got the tank to be a danger for the defenders. Can't run them around, no agility.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:16 pm 
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Here's my 2cents.
Casboult was horrible. He played the worst game I can remember. Simply horrible.
Weitering was surely injured. He struggled to get separation and did not look mobile. Should not have played?
White, Armfiled and Thomas need to go. Not sure what is wrong with Armfield but he needs to find form in the VFL. Other 2 are just horrendous.
Charlie isn't putting in. Simple as that. No desire. 2 weeks in a row. Will surivive for now - due to others that need to go before hand but should be on notice.
Murphy got smashed behind play from pila to post. Murphy in a better team would win the Brownlow. Get off his back! You make mistakes when your teammates aren't supporting you. Similar things re: Simmo and Doc.
Tackles....still need to make them stick and stop worrying about getting hurt! Too many times we half tackle. Not good enough.

Positives
Structure better but still a number of times no forward to kick too. Endeavour much better than last week. Need to learn when to transfer play and when not. Got caught out in the last trying to over do. We hunted more today. Why not last week and which moody blues will turn up next week?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:21 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
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I hope by the end of the year Casboult, Armfield, Thomas and White have been replaced. I think the whole side shudders when they have the ball.

Dennis kicked a clutch goal and in the last he had no choice. We are three goals down with three mins to go and he has a chance to burst past a defender and run into an open goal. It didn't come off. He probably shouldn't play on next year I agree but if that tackle didn't stick, he's got another two for the week. It was a far less serious error than the Murphy and Gibbs turnovers or the Docherty rundown which put us in the situation where we had to take risks.
Casboult only had one bad turnover tonight. He didn't have a bad game at all. Whipping boy. 9 marks and a goal from him. Not a bad night's work.
Thomas I agree.
White will get pushed out soon enough.


I totally understand your viewpoint. I agree only in part.

Dennis has been a last draft hero from the Judd trade. I love him.

Yesterday, last week, and in the JLT, Army gave me no confidence he was ready for AFL seniors.
Leadership group doesn't mean instant first 22.

He missed nearly everything other than that goal.
He needs to do more.
IMO< but it sure damn like looks like h's lost half a yard 100%...at least
His turnovers are costing us. Too much. Tipping point like.

He doesn't look like that goalkicking lockdown tagger at HF anymore.
He's not playing like a first 22 player for any team imo.
That's different to his potential is, coz' last year he was fantastic, as he was since we drafted him.

What's the alternative?
It's between the new kids needing exposure to AFL level for development or retreads seniors like Palmer Kerridge Sumner and Lamb.
We have a lot of kids to try out. IMO most are underdeveloped.

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missnaut wrote:
What's up (with) Doc this year? He's lost the plot.


Something is not the same about the player who you'd back to win a contest EVERY IME.

No matter how you look at it Doc isn't at his best.
He's 22 and nearly All Aust at 21, so we know he's GOT IT in spades

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:27 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
I hope by the end of the year Casboult, Armfield, Thomas and White have been replaced. I think the whole side shudders when they have the ball.

Dennis kicked a clutch goal and in the last he had no choice. We are three goals down with three mins to go and he has a chance to burst past a defender and run into an open goal. It didn't come off. He probably shouldn't play on next year I agree but if that tackle didn't stick, he's got another two for the week. It was a far less serious error than the Murphy and Gibbs turnovers or the Docherty rundown which put us in the situation where we had to take risks.
Casboult only had one bad turnover tonight. He didn't have a bad game at all. Whipping boy. 9 marks and a goal from him. Not a bad night's work.
Thomas I agree.
White will get pushed out soon enough.

Casboult had 4 bad turn overs all in 3rd quarter 2 of them were 15 metre kicks and couldn't hit the target
Dropped a dolly in goal square and completely loses contact after going for a mark I think he closes his eyes
I have absolutely no faith in Bolton whilst this guy lines up every week.
We have had some spuds up forward like Mclaren Deluca Ohalpin Hartlett Jones but I would have any of them in front of this bloke.


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because they could kick straight :wink:

Nah, thet all create opportunities from straight kicking or creating a contest.

I have hope in Casboult but don't hope he's our future coz he aint.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:30 pm 
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jim wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
if Casboult is our second ruck, dump him, I'd rather have a runner, let someone else relieve Kruise.
if Casboult is a key forward - as soon as we have a forward ready, dump him, he is not a key forward.
We should be looking for development to make us a better side,

I think the players I mentioned being replaced (by better players) would make us a significantly better side.
What was wrong with his work around the ground. Took more than double the marks Kreuzer did. I think back-up rucking is his role as he is not a natural forward.


I don't mind putting both rucks in the ruck basket.
Lets not be delusional that they are first rate in the AFL.
They are competitive at best imo

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:32 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Here's my 2cents.
Casboult was horrible. He played the worst game I can remember. Simply horrible.
Weitering was surely injured. He struggled to get separation and did not look mobile. Should not have played?
White, Armfiled and Thomas need to go. Not sure what is wrong with Armfield but he needs to find form in the VFL. Other 2 are just horrendous.
Charlie isn't putting in. Simple as that. No desire. 2 weeks in a row. Will surivive for now - due to others that need to go before hand but should be on notice.
Murphy got smashed behind play from pila to post. Murphy in a better team would win the Brownlow. Get off his back! You make mistakes when your teammates aren't supporting you. Similar things re: Simmo and Doc.
Tackles....still need to make them stick and stop worrying about getting hurt! Too many times we half tackle. Not good enough.

Positives
Structure better but still a number of times no forward to kick too. Endeavour much better than last week. Need to learn when to transfer play and when not. Got caught out in the last trying to over do. We hunted more today. Why not last week and which moody blues will turn up next week?


No no. No double standards. Murphy had a bad game for the same reason as White, Army and Cas. Their own errors. They just played poorly. Simple as that. No crap excuses like "teammates not supporting you". They all made errors that hurt us at critical times.

Despite the bad games you don't drop Murph or Cas. I think we can replace Army and White.

Smedts wasn't without fault but I think he's worth persisting with.


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Casboult used to be good at bashing a pack, but he hadn't even done that this year.


Exactly, and the same thing everyone thinks, fans or not.

I don't give a stuff about his marks other than those 2 on the FB line.

He failed to be a standout imo.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:38 pm 
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Pissed off that Jeff kicked 3 goals and got a great tackle

Thanks Mick

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:40 pm 
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club29 wrote:
We seemed to have it under control until Casboult missed that 15m pass on the hff. He kills me. Gave away another stupid ruck infringement goal, missed that spoil on a player half his size and generally did nothing the rest of the game. We must stop playing him.

Murphy looks on the cusp of playing good football but is making lots of mistakes.

Our experienced players all had moments where they let the team down. Our younger players tired.

Hopefully Charley Curnow is just a bit off at the moment. He isn't doing half the defensive things he was doing last year. Bit of a witches hat this year.

I enjoyed the game nonetheless. Hopefully at regular intervals we can add more youth and excitement before the inevitable fade at seasons end.


Gee I hope Murphy picks up his game and get to the form he showed as Players choice as MVP.

I know he's good. I hope Murph gets back to best of breed.

He needs to be bold and break lines and keep the ball in our possession when not creating a scoring opportunity.
What's his meters gained?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:43 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
jim wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
if Casboult is our second ruck, dump him, I'd rather have a runner, let someone else relieve Kruise.
if Casboult is a key forward - as soon as we have a forward ready, dump him, he is not a key forward.
We should be looking for development to make us a better side,

I think the players I mentioned being replaced (by better players) would make us a significantly better side.
What was wrong with his work around the ground. Took more than double the marks Kreuzer did. I think back-up rucking is his role as he is not a natural forward.


I don't mind putting both rucks in the ruck basket.
Lets not be delusional that they are first rate in the AFL.
They are competitive at best imo


Kruz competed ok in the ruck and was semi ok around the ground but Gawn went forward and hurt us AND took a couple of key marks on the last line of defence. Kruze did neither.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:44 pm 
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Taff wrote:
missnaut wrote:
MIL wrote:
Effes wrote:
Lewis striking Cripps

Image


Didn't see it ( in Ho Chi Min City) but both feet off ground there and contact with forearm to head is at least 2 weeks. Dirty dog like Hodge and always done at crucial times to win games. Shame we've got no one to do that stuff :grin:

Hodgey was defending him, so he'll get off on the good bloke rule.
@#$%&! he's a dirty cauliflower. No point whatsoever in doing that.


A thug!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:46 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Here's my 2cents.
Casboult was horrible. He played the worst game I can remember. Simply horrible.
Weitering was surely injured. He struggled to get separation and did not look mobile. Should not have played?
White, Armfiled and Thomas need to go. Not sure what is wrong with Armfield but he needs to find form in the VFL. Other 2 are just horrendous.
Charlie isn't putting in. Simple as that. No desire. 2 weeks in a row. Will surivive for now - due to others that need to go before hand but should be on notice.
Murphy got smashed behind play from pila to post. Murphy in a better team would win the Brownlow. Get off his back! You make mistakes when your teammates aren't supporting you. Similar things re: Simmo and Doc.
Tackles....still need to make them stick and stop worrying about getting hurt! Too many times we half tackle. Not good enough.

Positives
Structure better but still a number of times no forward to kick too. Endeavour much better than last week. Need to learn when to transfer play and when not. Got caught out in the last trying to over do. We hunted more today. Why not last week and which moody blues will turn up next week?


I wasn't at the game.

I didn't see the behind the play stuff you did.
Tell me more.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:47 pm 
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chubbyruss wrote:
Pissed off that Jeff kicked 3 goals and got a great tackle

Thanks Mick


Pissed off at Jeff or at our former management for putting him in the too hard basket and showing him the door? We gave up on him way too quickly.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:49 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Here's my 2cents.
Casboult was horrible. He played the worst game I can remember. Simply horrible.
Weitering was surely injured. He struggled to get separation and did not look mobile. Should not have played?
White, Armfiled and Thomas need to go. Not sure what is wrong with Armfield but he needs to find form in the VFL. Other 2 are just horrendous.
Charlie isn't putting in. Simple as that. No desire. 2 weeks in a row. Will surivive for now - due to others that need to go before hand but should be on notice.
Murphy got smashed behind play from pila to post. Murphy in a better team would win the Brownlow. Get off his back! You make mistakes when your teammates aren't supporting you. Similar things re: Simmo and Doc.
Tackles....still need to make them stick and stop worrying about getting hurt! Too many times we half tackle. Not good enough.

Positives
Structure better but still a number of times no forward to kick too. Endeavour much better than last week. Need to learn when to transfer play and when not. Got caught out in the last trying to over do. We hunted more today. Why not last week and which moody blues will turn up next week?


I wasn't at the game.

I didn't see the behind the play stay you did.
Tell me more.


Every key player on every team gets worked over every week. Some fight through it and some shy away to easy possessions and backward kicks.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:50 pm 
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Hogan is lucky he landed his punch on Rowe's cheek. It was bordering on Barry Hall territory.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:55 pm 
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A big improvement on last week and one that got away.
Cripps was fantastic, he sure does like playing against Melbourne.
I thought Murphy was good but some turn overs were very costly, he was not alone there.
Our backline helo up pretty well but we didnt make the most of our forward entries.
Marchbank looks a good one and Plowman was good again. Pleased a couple of the young ones in SPS and Pickett kicked their first goals.
Wright has been a great pick up, and what a bargain.
Not too disappointed as I was expecting a thumping.
Umpiring was confusing again and costly.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:02 pm 
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chubbyruss wrote:
Pissed off that Jeff kicked 3 goals and got a great tackle

Thanks Mick


Just brings back memories.

We are all with you.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:06 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
I hope by the end of the year Casboult, Armfield, Thomas and White have been replaced. I think the whole side shudders when they have the ball.

Dennis kicked a clutch goal and in the last he had no choice. We are three goals down with three mins to go and he has a chance to burst past a defender and run into an open goal. It didn't come off. He probably shouldn't play on next year I agree but if that tackle didn't stick, he's got another two for the week. It was a far less serious error than the Murphy and Gibbs turnovers or the Docherty rundown which put us in the situation where we had to take risks.
Casboult only had one bad turnover tonight. He didn't have a bad game at all. Whipping boy. 9 marks and a goal from him. Not a bad night's work.
Thomas I agree.
White will get pushed out soon enough.


I totally understand your viewpoint. I agree only in part.

Has not played a decent game since the Geelong win last year
Time for him to go back to the northern blues and stay there
I have not doubt he could play a few good games here and there
but he is not going to improve the team so by playing a kid at least
We have a chance of improving the team and as for him being in the
leadership group that is another story

Dennis has been a last draft hero from the Judd trade. I love him.

Yesterday, last week, and in the JLT, Army gave me no confidence he was ready for AFL seniors.
Leadership group doesn't mean instant first 22.

He missed nearly everything other than that goal.
He needs to do more.
IMO< but it sure damn like looks like h's lost half a yard 100%...at least
His turnovers are costing us. Too much. Tipping point like.

He doesn't look like that goalkicking lockdown tagger at HF anymore.
He's not playing like a first 22 player for any team imo.
That's different to his potential is, coz' last year he was fantastic, as he was since we drafted him.

What's the alternative?
It's between the new kids needing exposure to AFL level for development or retreads seniors like Palmer Kerridge Sumner and Lamb.
We have a lot of kids to try out. IMO most are underdeveloped.


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