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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:05 am 
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According to Nathan Schmook at the AFL website, our best players were Weitering, White, Kerridge and Marchbank. Makes me wonder if he actually saw the game or not. Or perhaps they're the only Carlton players he actually recognised.



Come on, outside of his 5 clangers, 3 frees against, 1 hospital handball which ended Buckley's day and at least 3 St Kilda goal assists, White was ok wasn't he?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:48 am 
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We have publicly stated we expect to go backwards this year and that attitude is definitely showing. We need top draft picks to build this list going forward and finishing bottom will deliver that :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:26 am 
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MIL wrote:
We have publicly stated we expect to go backwards this year and that attitude is definitely showing. We need top draft picks to build this list going forward and finishing bottom will deliver that :thumbsup:


The mentality of our club ..... enjoy people.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:37 am 
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MIL wrote:
We need top draft picks to build this list going forward and finishing bottom will deliver that :thumbsup:

Because it's worked so well in the past?

Sorry mil but this is exactly what's wrong with this football club.
This is why we struggle for members and why we're outnumbered by opposition fans most games.

We treat finishing bottom as a position of strength... and the rest of the league thank us for it.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:04 am 
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Hornet wrote:
MIL wrote:
We need top draft picks to build this list going forward and finishing bottom will deliver that :thumbsup:

Because it's worked so well in the past?

Sorry mil but this is exactly what's wrong with this football club.
This is why we struggle for members and why we're outnumbered by opposition fans most games.

We treat finishing bottom as a position of strength... and the rest of the league thank us for it.


I know it's a tough call, but in the past we didn't have the coaching staff and management to make the most of those picks. Hopefully now we have got the right people in place - and it appears we have - and we just need to build the list. A boom recruit would do wonders too, and a real one, not a washed up former top liner like Thomas. We are still hamstrung by guys like Thomas and Jones, and duds like Jaksch.

As always the challenge is to build the list while winning enough games and showing enough hope to keep the membership at decent levels. The Aints have done it so why can't we ??


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:14 am 
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Went yesterday. It was great to be back at Princess Park.......... although bloody hell it needs a touch of paint lol.

Was a pretty weak effort by an inexperienced side.

I got on Charlie Curnow for the Rising Star award @ $51 and gotta say, whilst he won't win it due to him being a Carlton player, he looks like a superstar midfielder. Really excited by what I saw from him.

Also, was pretty happy with Matt Korcheck in the ruck too. He's still RAW but he did ok.

Not much else really.

No Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Simmo or Docherty and Levi and Cripps really only played a qtr and a bit.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:16 am 
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Hornet wrote:
MIL wrote:
We need top draft picks to build this list going forward and finishing bottom will deliver that :thumbsup:

Because it's worked so well in the past?

Sorry mil but this is exactly what's wrong with this football club.
This is why we struggle for members and why we're outnumbered by opposition fans most games.

We treat finishing bottom as a position of strength... and the rest of the league thank us for it.



Mate i agree with you 110%......... been saying that for years. Even when all the Carlton fans were cheering on the loss vs Melbourne for the 'Kreuzer Cup'....... I was so pissed off that day.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:03 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
MIL wrote:
We have publicly stated we expect to go backwards this year and that attitude is definitely showing. We need top draft picks to build this list going forward and finishing bottom will deliver that :thumbsup:



The mentality of our club ..... enjoy people.


Yep. Pathetic. The club has been sending strategic messages via mckay and sos and the members forum that the club will go backwards...

The club had.no dedicated recruiter for 2 yrs of the last 2 years of the National draft but are prepared to secure re treads and.rejects from other clubs to fill.the list

Enjoy the decline folks....


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:23 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
MIL wrote:
We have publicly stated we expect to go backwards this year and that attitude is definitely showing. We need top draft picks to build this list going forward and finishing bottom will deliver that :thumbsup:



The mentality of our club ..... enjoy people.


Yep. Pathetic. The club has been sending strategic messages via mckay and sos and the members forum that the club will go backwards...

The club had.no dedicated recruiter for 2 yrs of the last 2 years of the National draft but are prepared to secure re treads and.rejects from other clubs to fill.the list

Enjoy the decline folks....


Don't worry MF - some of us have been watching closely and quietly. Need to give newbies a chance to prove themselves......


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:43 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
MIL wrote:
We have publicly stated we expect to go backwards this year and that attitude is definitely showing. We need top draft picks to build this list going forward and finishing bottom will deliver that :thumbsup:



The mentality of our club ..... enjoy people.


Yep. Pathetic. The club has been sending strategic messages via mckay and sos and the members forum that the club will go backwards...

The club had.no dedicated recruiter for 2 yrs of the last 2 years of the National draft but are prepared to secure re treads and.rejects from other clubs to fill.the list

Enjoy the decline folks....


Don't worry MF - some of us have been watching closely and quietly. Need to give newbies a chance to prove themselves......


I accept that surrey but this is the crux

The club decides to get retreads.in rowe white gorringe lamb jones Daisy sumner kerriage wright jaecks ...even plowman (who hasnt set the world on fire) in what i believe to be the reason being that its better to lose by 80 points rather 150 points with pure kids.

The list.is shot to pieces imo ....there are too many "tryers" add buckley (who wont make it) and armfield and Casboult

If the club was run properly we should have had a 2nd string side fully developed in the reserves and ready to go...even with the new coach ceo and president the reserves arrangements are still diabolical as in the past


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:06 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
MIL wrote:
We have publicly stated we expect to go backwards this year and that attitude is definitely showing. We need top draft picks to build this list going forward and finishing bottom will deliver that :thumbsup:



The mentality of our club ..... enjoy people.


Yep. Pathetic. The club has been sending strategic messages via mckay and sos and the members forum that the club will go backwards...

The club had.no dedicated recruiter for 2 yrs of the last 2 years of the National draft but are prepared to secure re treads and.rejects from other clubs to fill.the list

Enjoy the decline folks....


Don't worry MF - some of us have been watching closely and quietly. Need to give newbies a chance to prove themselves......


I accept that surrey but this is the crux

The club decides to get retreads.in rowe white gorringe lamb jones Daisy sumner kerriage wright jaecks ...even plowman (who hasnt set the world on fire) in what i believe to be the reason being that its better to lose by 80 points rather 150 points with pure kids.

The list.is shot to pieces imo ....there are too many "tryers" add buckley (who wont make it) and armfield and Casboult

If the club was run properly we should have had a 2nd string side fully developed in the reserves and ready to go...even with the new coach ceo and president the reserves arrangements are still diabolical as in the past


look, you are being selective & inserting names to suit whatever it is you are banging on about...
rowe, white, daisy, jacksh and jones came before the current coaching and recruiting set up
the others serve a short term need and hopefully guys like plowman and sumner can kick on and provide some long term benefits. wright was a pretty good pick up.

FWIW saints had bruce, longer, savage, stevens, steele, carlisle, dempster, membrey and brown running around yesterday. the dees had melksham, hibberd, vince, lewis, bugg & vandenberg was a mature age recruit. the hawks have made an art form of recycling...

there's nothing wrong with combining young draft picks with the right recycled player.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:33 pm 
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doofdoof wrote:

FWIW saints had bruce, longer, savage, stevens, steele, carlisle, dempster, membrey and brown running around yesterday. the dees had melksham, hibberd, vince, lewis, bugg & vandenberg was a mature age recruit. the hawks have made an art form of recycling...

there's nothing wrong with combining young draft picks with the right recycled player.


Mckay has been in charge of the football department throughout with gleeson in charge on footy on the board. Add capuano barker and the scelrotic northern blues arrangements nothing has changed. No dedicated recruiter for the last 2 years of the ND and add the guru neil craig who has failed at 3 club's...we don't have the right people making the right decisions...sos' selections of retreads in my view are more fails than wins thus far


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:36 pm 
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Schmook must have been in the bar White at one stage had 2 Carlton players spreading hit Aints guy on the chest
As someone suggested contributed to bucks injury
Gave away a shot in goal square with a bloody stupid two high contact
Did the Dosey do with Rowe free kick to Aints
Was shocking
Decision making deplorable GET RID of him

Had a few mates too but with him Daisy Rowe Jones Bokehurst being our senior leaders god help us

Kerridge was ok but commits too many skill errors


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:55 pm 
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I am so glad I didn't try and stream this.
Unfortunately, the AFL is still telling me I have a problem with my connection even though I can stream everything else I want to but not AFL. They are in denial. Who do they think I am, Jobe Watson?
Thank heaven for small mercies.


You're missing out on some good footy......by the woman's team!

I abandoned the mans game replay in the second half to go an watch the women's earlier match.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:00 pm 
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MIL wrote:
Hornet wrote:
MIL wrote:
We need top draft picks to build this list going forward and finishing bottom will deliver that :thumbsup:

Because it's worked so well in the past?

Sorry mil but this is exactly what's wrong with this football club.
This is why we struggle for members and why we're outnumbered by opposition fans most games.

We treat finishing bottom as a position of strength... and the rest of the league thank us for it.


I know it's a tough call, but in the past we didn't have the coaching staff and management to make the most of those picks. Hopefully now we have got the right people in place - and it appears we have - and we just need to build the list. A boom recruit would do wonders too, and a real one, not a washed up former top liner like Thomas. We are still hamstrung by guys like Thomas and Jones, and duds like Jaksch.

As always the challenge is to build the list while winning enough games and showing enough hope to keep the membership at decent levels. The Aints have done it so why can't we ??


A boom recruit like Judd? Waste of money.

Do you really believe that this rebuild will work where the others failed?

Actually I thought we were 44 games into our 66 game rebuild already, or did we give up on that one and we've started a new one?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:06 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
MIL wrote:
Hornet wrote:
MIL wrote:
We need top draft picks to build this list going forward and finishing bottom will deliver that :thumbsup:

Because it's worked so well in the past?

Sorry mil but this is exactly what's wrong with this football club.
This is why we struggle for members and why we're outnumbered by opposition fans most games.

We treat finishing bottom as a position of strength... and the rest of the league thank us for it.


I know it's a tough call, but in the past we didn't have the coaching staff and management to make the most of those picks. Hopefully now we have got the right people in place - and it appears we have - and we just need to build the list. A boom recruit would do wonders too, and a real one, not a washed up former top liner like Thomas. We are still hamstrung by guys like Thomas and Jones, and duds like Jaksch.

As always the challenge is to build the list while winning enough games and showing enough hope to keep the membership at decent levels. The Aints have done it so why can't we ??


A boom recruit like Judd? Waste of money.

Do you really believe that this rebuild will work where the others failed?

Actually I thought we were 44 games into our 66 game rebuild already, or did we give up on that one and we've started a new one?


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44 games ago we took on Richmond with Malthouse in charge. Your math is way off.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:42 pm 
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verbs wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
MIL wrote:
Hornet wrote:
MIL wrote:
We need top draft picks to build this list going forward and finishing bottom will deliver that :thumbsup:

Because it's worked so well in the past?

Sorry mil but this is exactly what's wrong with this football club.
This is why we struggle for members and why we're outnumbered by opposition fans most games.

We treat finishing bottom as a position of strength... and the rest of the league thank us for it.


I know it's a tough call, but in the past we didn't have the coaching staff and management to make the most of those picks. Hopefully now we have got the right people in place - and it appears we have - and we just need to build the list. A boom recruit would do wonders too, and a real one, not a washed up former top liner like Thomas. We are still hamstrung by guys like Thomas and Jones, and duds like Jaksch.

As always the challenge is to build the list while winning enough games and showing enough hope to keep the membership at decent levels. The Aints have done it so why can't we ??


A boom recruit like Judd? Waste of money.

Do you really believe that this rebuild will work where the others failed?

Actually I thought we were 44 games into our 66 game rebuild already, or did we give up on that one and we've started a new one?


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44 games ago we took on Richmond with Malthouse in charge. Your math is way off.


Weren't we in rebuild mode under Malthouse in his last year, I thought that was what the board told us...all these rebuilds kind of blur together because we've never actually finished any of them have we?


Then again I remember the days when it was maths, not math.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:52 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:

Weren't we in rebuild mode under Malthouse in his last year, I thought that was what the board told us...all these rebuilds kind of blur together because we've never actually finished any of them have we?


Then again I remember the days when it was maths, not math.


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sinbagger wrote:
verbs wrote:

I know it's a tough call, but in the past we didn't have the coaching staff and management to make the most of those picks. Hopefully now we have got the right people in place - and it appears we have - and we just need to build the list. A boom recruit would do wonders too, and a real one, not a washed up former top liner like Thomas. We are still hamstrung by guys like Thomas and Jones, and duds like Jaksch.

As always the challenge is to build the list while winning enough games and showing enough hope to keep the membership at decent levels. The Aints have done it so why can't we ??


A boom recruit like Judd? Waste of money.

Do you really believe that this rebuild will work where the others failed?

Actually I thought we were 44 games into our 66 game rebuild already, or did we give up on that one and we've started a new one?


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44 games ago we took on Richmond with Malthouse in charge. Your math is way off.[/quote]

Weren't we in rebuild mode under Malthouse in his last year, I thought that was what the board told us...all these rebuilds kind of blur together because we've never actually finished any of them have we?


Then again I remember the days when it was maths, not math.[/quote]

You're the one telling the story. I think not only your math is faulty but your memory too.

If you can find anywhere Malthouse engaged in a rebuild at Carlton, good luck to you. Malthouse directly rebuked any rebuild. So he got sacked.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:07 pm 
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It may be only early March however our first two games have been VFL standard.

I'm surprised about the angst by some towards White and Rowe, were you surprised how bad they were today. I appreciate their endeavour but these two would not be on any other list and in fact would have been delisted years ago. Thus says a lot about our list.

On the issue of our list we have so many one dimensional types, Lamb, Sumner, Lebois, Pickett etc can only play forward. I doubt they can play through the midfield, something we are screaming out for. Most of our list are either forwards or backs, where are our mids? And I'm not talking about midgets and 60kg midfielders that we have stockpiled.


Yep ! thats the problem aint it B4.....................nobody there who can get a kick where it really matters.We got killed in the guts.All these little flashy quick types aint worth a cold pie unless they can get a kick in the eye of the storm.Front and centre.They are real sheep dogs for mine..............how the hell do you expect guys who are not high possesion winners at junior level to come in to senior football and all of a sudden become ball magnets......................for eff sake get some kids into the joint who know how to get a kick.......................i will repeat,speed is the most overated commoditee in footy.


In the last 2 years we have drafted and traded for players who have trouble finding the ball (so far)... not something you can easily rectify!

You would have thought having the ability to get the ball would be a priority...


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