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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Seriously how good a list balance is this right now. I cannot remember the last time we had so many options in so many positions.
Try to ignore positional setups within the 2 lists (there my thoughts) but look deep into coverage/depth and rotations/flexibility.
Many of you will agree we don't quite have class in every position/area and plenty of unknowns - but what we do have is balance and options!!
Look at the attached 2 lists, think long term and development.........

Byrne Rowe Weitering
Docherty Marchbank Plowman
Gibbs Cripps Simpson
Smedts Casboult Palmer
Phillips Silvagni Sumner
Kruezer E Curnow Murphy
C Curnow Kerridge Thomas Armfield

Buckley Glass-McCasker White
Williamson Macreade Fisher
Cunningham Graham Petrovski-Seton
Polish Jaksch Boakhurst
McKay Kerr Pickett
Gorringe Lamb Wright
Gallucci Sheehan LeBois
Jones A Silvagni Korcheck


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:23 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Seriously how good a list balance is this right now. I cannot remember the last time we had so many options in so many positions.
Try to ignore positional setups within the 2 lists (there my thoughts) but look deep into coverage/depth and rotations/flexibility.
Many of you will agree we don't quite have class in every position/area and plenty of unknowns - but what we do have is balance and options!!
Look at the attached 2 lists, think long term and development.........

Byrne Rowe Weitering
Docherty Marchbank Plowman
Gibbs Cripps Simpson
Smedts Casboult Palmer
Phillips Silvagni Sumner
Kruezer E Curnow Murphy
C Curnow Kerridge Thomas Armfield

Buckley Glass-McCasker White
Williamson Macreade Fisher
Cunningham Graham Petrovski-Seton
Polish Jaksch Boakhurst
McKay Kerr Pickett
Gorringe Lamb Wright
Gallucci Sheehan LeBois
Jones A Silvagni Korcheck

Certainly on the improve...great time to be backing the club


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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I am going to keep harping on it, where is the inside mid going to come from to help out Cripps.


If we rely on Murphy again he will end up getting injured. It is happening every year.


Who else is there? If that was what Palmer was recruited for, fair enough.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
I am going to keep harping on it, where is the inside mid going to come from to help out Cripps.


If we rely on Murphy again he will end up getting injured. It is happening every year.


Who else is there? If that was what Palmer was recruited for, fair enough.

We know Gibbs can play inside when he is given the job.
Perhaps he's another option.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Palmer can certainly share the inside work as can a few other . Let's remember Cripps is a 195 cm wrecking machine. The Krooz lends out too as does Gibbs and Murphy when needed and Ed is not too bad either for stints

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
I am going to keep harping on it, where is the inside mid going to come from to help out Cripps.


If we rely on Murphy again he will end up getting injured. It is happening every year.


Who else is there? If that was what Palmer was recruited for, fair enough.


This is my worry with this draft a good spread but no help for Cripps.

Palmer may help and I know I am reaching but could White become a bull in the centre, rotating with Cripps? Not sure who else can fill this role, Graham isn't the answer in my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:45 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
I am going to keep harping on it, where is the inside mid going to come from to help out Cripps.


If we rely on Murphy again he will end up getting injured. It is happening every year.


Who else is there? If that was what Palmer was recruited for, fair enough.

We know Gibbs can play inside when he is given the job.
Perhaps he's another option.


That is optimistic.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:50 am 
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bmaurizio wrote:
Palmer can certainly share the inside work as can a few other . Let's remember Cripps is a 195 cm wrecking machine. The Krooz lends out too as does Gibbs and Murphy when needed and Ed is not too bad either for stints


Another wrecking machine is what we want and that could be Kreuzer's new role, he would certainly do some damage through a pack.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Have you guys read anything about our first two draftees, or just looked at their size?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Have you guys read anything about our first two draftees, or just looked at their size?


You don't think size is a factor in being an inside mid?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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robertbb wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Have you guys read anything about our first two draftees, or just looked at their size?


You don't think size is a factor in being an inside mid?

Have you asked Hannebery from the swans or .Libba.... both the same height as SPS


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Have you guys read anything about our first two draftees, or just looked at their size?


Just their size, oh and when they learned English.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Wojee wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Have you guys read anything about our first two draftees, or just looked at their size?


Just their size, oh and when they learned English.

.... and a 3 second youtube clip.. Oh, and my book entitled "Preconceived ideas that I'm not willing to let go" with a forward by P..... Nah, I better not go there.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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london blue wrote:
robertbb wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Have you guys read anything about our first two draftees, or just looked at their size?


You don't think size is a factor in being an inside mid?

Have you asked Hannebery from the swans or .Libba.... both the same height as SPS


That's a great comparison LB.

There's more to inside than size.
I loved the way the young Doggies played and won the inside battle, and they are small...but tenacious.

I can see Fisher winning plenty of head high frees as an inside mid playing against bigger bodied mids.
First in best dressed, not biggest body is aways first in.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:10 am 
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genuine midfielders is where we lack the most depth
yeah we have guys who can run through there and help out but we are still a fair way back on a lot of teams in this area


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:15 am 
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london blue wrote:
robertbb wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Have you guys read anything about our first two draftees, or just looked at their size?


You don't think size is a factor in being an inside mid?

Have you asked Hannebery from the swans or .Libba.... both the same height as SPS


Style of play is a primary factor lb. If we want SPS to use his skills it will be difficult in and under packs. It makes sense to support Cripps with another solid body.


Besides I don't think there is too much complaining about the earlier picks it is the later picks when decent inside mids were still available.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:22 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Seriously how good a list balance is this right now. I cannot remember the last time we had so many options in so many positions.
Try to ignore positional setups within the 2 lists (there my thoughts) but look deep into coverage/depth and rotations/flexibility.
Many of you will agree we don't quite have class in every position/area and plenty of unknowns - but what we do have is balance and options!!
Look at the attached 2 lists, think long term and development.........

Byrne Rowe Weitering
Docherty Marchbank Plowman
Gibbs Cripps Simpson
Smedts Casboult Palmer
Phillips Silvagni Sumner
Kruezer E Curnow Murphy
C Curnow Kerridge Thomas Armfield

Buckley Glass-McCasker White
Williamson Macreade Fisher
Cunningham Graham Petrovski-Seton
Polish Jaksch Boakhurst
McKay Kerr Pickett
Gorringe Lamb Wright
Gallucci Sheehan LeBois
Jones A Silvagni Korcheck


I did the same exercise last night with the kids.
My teams were much different, but the point you make is spot on.

I also love what we have in the NBs to develop and protect the kids. Create a winning culture and VFL finals. (Doggie style)
I have a VFL backline with Silvagni, White, G-M and probably mixed in at times with Rowe and Macreadie

From your seconds team I expect SPS Fisher Cuningham Pickett and possibly Macreadie and BB in the seniors this year.
Plenty of pressure for spots in the seniors.

What a transformation after 44 rounds, and there's another 22 rounds to go till we have a list made for sustained success.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
london blue wrote:
robertbb wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Have you guys read anything about our first two draftees, or just looked at their size?


You don't think size is a factor in being an inside mid?

Have you asked Hannebery from the swans or .Libba.... both the same height as SPS


Style of play is a primary factor lb. If we want SPS to use his skills it will be difficult in and under packs. It makes sense to support Cripps with another solid body.




Exactly. SPS will play his best football around the stoppage - not at the bottom of it.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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TH - I understand what you are highlighting but I think sometimes we get caught up too much on inside vs outside midfielders.
Give me another 2 Murphys or Gibbs for instance and I'll show you a winning midfield setup!
I like the look of Fisher & Cunningham for the exact reason - balance of outside and inside technic.


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