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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:20 pm 
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Talrahir wrote:
- Casboult is just such an amazing mark, but its just not enough. I think we need to look at what we lose as much as what we gain by having him in the team. Once again, I'm a fan, but I'd drop him and give Gorringe another run. This would ultimately be Charlie Curnow's spot when he get's fit, if Gorringe can't hold it.


Casboult may be little other than an amazing mark but its one improvement on Gorringe, who has no redeeming features.
Casboult is running around on one leg and still offering far more than Gorringe did. At least Casboult has some physicality about him.

I suspect some posters are throwing the baby out with the bathwater after a couple of losses. Making 6 changes in one week is well over the top.
Unfortunately we missed some easy shots at goal against the Pies and we lost a bit of momentum. But if you look back over our season, our excellent accuracy has actually given a bit of false hope. In 4 of our wins, we've had equal or less scoring shots than the opposition. Our ability to convert was our saviour in a few games.

We're still a poor side looking to slowly improve. The system of play is excellent but our list is going to take a number of years to improve significantly. Turfing half a dozen players out each week will just create uncertainty. It will also break down our system of play. By all means bring in a player or 2 but wholesale changes will be counter productive.
The backline are a good example. They're showing the fruits of stability and understanding the roles, strengths and weaknesses of each other. They are performing as a team and that comes from familiarity and faith in each other.

We shouldn't be too reactive and throw it all out the window when we have a poor performance.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:20 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Talrahir wrote:
- Casboult is just such an amazing mark, but its just not enough. I think we need to look at what we lose as much as what we gain by having him in the team. Once again, I'm a fan, but I'd drop him and give Gorringe another run. This would ultimately be Charlie Curnow's spot when he get's fit, if Gorringe can't hold it.


Casboult may be little other than an amazing mark but its one improvement on Gorringe, who has no redeeming features.
Casboult is running around on one leg and still offering far more than Gorringe did. At least Casboult has some physicality about him.

I suspect some posters are throwing the baby out with the bathwater after a couple of losses. Making 6 changes in one week is well over the top.
Unfortunately we missed some easy shots at goal against the Pies and we lost a bit of momentum. But if you look back over our season, our excellent accuracy has actually given a bit of false hope. In 4 of our wins, we've had equal or less scoring shots than the opposition. Our ability to convert was our saviour in a few games.

We're still a poor side looking to slowly improve. The system of play is excellent but our list is going to take a number of years to improve significantly. Turfing half a dozen players out each week will just create uncertainty. It will also break down our system of play. By all means bring in a player or 2 but wholesale changes will be counter productive.
The backline are a good example. They're showing the fruits of stability and understanding the roles, strengths and weaknesses of each other. They are performing as a team and that comes from familiarity and faith in each other.

We shouldn't be too reactive and throw it all out the window when we have a poor performance.


Great post.

We could have beaten Collingwood. That's what I take out of the game.

I'm inclined to think the number 1 footy priority is System First with Effort. Bolton's Game Plan.Team Defence.
I believe too many of our players miss the fitness requirements or capability to endure "Bolton's system" for 4 quarters.
Players like Curnow and Kerridge always have their class questioned, but they sustain a constant effort within this system.
Cripps endures, Kreuzer endures, Gibbs endures, Wright endures but they aren't putting in 4 quarter efforts of late and class goes missing too.

Players need roles and that's what Casboult is: a role player at KP. Gorringe is a mobile forward, hardly KP and is up against Jaksch, Jones and Everitt for a spot.
Gorringe has great athletic prowess but he hasn't impressed me, and I did have high expectations. He's got another year to make it.
I've got both Jaksch and Jones ahead of Gorringe. Anyway he's out with a hip complaint, and Philips is developing in the ones.

Next year we will have more players with class who will play for 4 quarters including the Cripps' and the Kerridges.
We need to spread the load.

We have plenty of 3 game blocks for players BB and SOS want to see, and we will. We have injuries too.
No need for wholesale change now, we need to play to the system, and replace Byrne and maybe introduce Jaksch.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:26 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
The Normal One wrote:

The future is about a team ethos, team structure, team effort. Players need to earn a game, which sets the standard for the future. No more handing out games with no form to warrant it.



Then why is Everitt consistently getting a game? He has been so poor in all the team values, it isn't funny anymore. I think KJ and Nicky are the 2 in particular who have been let down by theses team ethos rules! What more can either of these 2 guys do?


He has been picked in the squad for this weekend - what game were the match committee watching to conclude he has earnt his place?? Wow...just WOW!!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:29 pm 
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Casboult needs help up forward. It's maybe no coincidence we started winning games and, not long after, started kicking bigger scores when we had a 2nd key forward. Prior to that we couldn't kick a score to save ourselves and it's been the same again the last two weeks.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:45 pm 
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Wet Willie wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
The Normal One wrote:

The future is about a team ethos, team structure, team effort. Players need to earn a game, which sets the standard for the future. No more handing out games with no form to warrant it.



Then why is Everitt consistently getting a game? He has been so poor in all the team values, it isn't funny anymore. I think KJ and Nicky are the 2 in particular who have been let down by theses team ethos rules! What more can either of these 2 guys do?


He has been picked in the squad for this weekend - what game were the match committee watching to conclude he has earnt his place?? Wow...just WOW!!


No team yet. If you are basing it from League Teams on FoxFooty they are just guessing. Squad of 25 tomorrow to be finalised to 22 5pm Friday as always.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:18 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Talrahir wrote:
- Casboult is just such an amazing mark, but its just not enough. I think we need to look at what we lose as much as what we gain by having him in the team. Once again, I'm a fan, but I'd drop him and give Gorringe another run. This would ultimately be Charlie Curnow's spot when he get's fit, if Gorringe can't hold it.


Casboult may be little other than an amazing mark but its one improvement on Gorringe, who has no redeeming features.
Casboult is running around on one leg and still offering far more than Gorringe did. At least Casboult has some physicality about him.

I suspect some posters are throwing the baby out with the bathwater after a couple of losses. Making 6 changes in one week is well over the top.
Unfortunately we missed some easy shots at goal against the Pies and we lost a bit of momentum. But if you look back over our season, our excellent accuracy has actually given a bit of false hope. In 4 of our wins, we've had equal or less scoring shots than the opposition. Our ability to convert was our saviour in a few games.

We're still a poor side looking to slowly improve. The system of play is excellent but our list is going to take a number of years to improve significantly. Turfing half a dozen players out each week will just create uncertainty. It will also break down our system of play. By all means bring in a player or 2 but wholesale changes will be counter productive.
The backline are a good example. They're showing the fruits of stability and understanding the roles, strengths and weaknesses of each other. They are performing as a team and that comes from familiarity and faith in each other.

We shouldn't be too reactive and throw it all out the window when we have a poor performance.

Always respect your opinion more than others. But I think you are wrong.
Casboult is no good and wont get any better. He needs to be moved on and a different forward structure needs to be implemented.
He just doesn't get any better. I would excuse the one leg thing if his form was off but it isnt any different.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:58 am 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
Wet Willie wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
The Normal One wrote:

The future is about a team ethos, team structure, team effort. Players need to earn a game, which sets the standard for the future. No more handing out games with no form to warrant it.



Then why is Everitt consistently getting a game? He has been so poor in all the team values, it isn't funny anymore. I think KJ and Nicky are the 2 in particular who have been let down by theses team ethos rules! What more can either of these 2 guys do?


He has been picked in the squad for this weekend - what game were the match committee watching to conclude he has earnt his place?? Wow...just WOW!!


No team yet. If you are basing it from League Teams on FoxFooty they are just guessing. Squad of 25 tomorrow to be finalised to 22 5pm Friday as always.


You are right...!!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:53 am 
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jim wrote:
Casboult needs help up forward. It's maybe no coincidence we started winning games and, not long after, started kicking bigger scores when we had a 2nd key forward. Prior to that we couldn't kick a score to save ourselves and it's been the same again the last two weeks.



this.

either phillips or kreuzer to make way for a 2nd permanent forward. Goringe, jones or kj ...


we're too slow of a team with phillips, kreuzer, rowe & casboult all in the team. one Ruck has to be omitted as either rowe or casboult can pinch hit for a qtr there.

throw in everrit's constant baffling selection; and our match selection committee needs to stand the down ...


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I really want to see KJ. No desire to see Tutt. BOeky..is he in the mix?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:12 pm 
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Carlton v Adel Crows

Armfield, Tutt, Buckley, Graham in for Bryne.

Henderson, Seedsman, Kelly, Milera in for Brown.

Interchange from: 27. Dennis Armfield 7. Dylan Buckley 33. Andrejs Everitt 32. Nick Graham 19. Liam Sumner 22. Jason Tutt 1. Andrew Walker

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:18 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Carlton v Adel Crows

Armfield, Tutt, Buckley, Graham in for Bryne.

Henderson, Seedsman, Kelly, Milera in for Brown.

Done the right thing by bringing lots of smalls in so far at least. Hopefully a couple of talls go out as well because we've really lacked midfielders the last few weeks.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:21 pm 
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All 4 ins on the extended bench along with Everitt, Walker and Sumner.

3 to drop out.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:23 pm 
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Well I give up. KJ's papers have obviously been stamped. We're useless when we play two rucks.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:27 pm 
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Extended bench is: Armfield, Buckley, Everitt, Graham, Sumner, Tutt, Walker.

Final bench of Armfield, Buckley, Graham, Sumner would please me immensely.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:30 pm 
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bax wrote:
Well I give up. KJ's papers have obviously been stamped. We're useless when we play two rucks.


Exactly as the rucks are dead useless when they are off the ball. Krezuer goes from shitman to superman when he gets to ruck on his own. Casboult plays better when he gets a run, and his hands, on the ball. Benefits him when he goes back forward.

How Everitt gets to play before Jaksch right now is a mystery.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:31 pm 
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Final bench of Armfield, Buckley, Walker, Sumner would be even better.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:37 pm 
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And J-SOS keeps his spot, look forward to seeing him build on last week.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:44 pm 
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bax wrote:
Well I give up. KJ's papers have obviously been stamped. We're useless when we play two rucks.


There's 8 more games after this one.

He hasn't failed in the VFL, and its not like he's a target from another club.
SOS had to give him a kick in the pants and Fraser states he needs to put in 4 quarters.

I think they are moulding a player of the future, and if he's to get 3-4 games in to prove their point there's plenty of time.

I expect McKay to get a game for a taste if he shows some form in the VFL. He has 8 weeks too.

Curnow will get the taste back too over that period.

Philips is still developing with Kreuzer taking the heavy load.

Everitt and Walker on the extended bench.

I think the chairs will be shuffled.

If Jaksch doesn't get a game in / by round 19, he aint gettin' 3 games in 2016. ie Report will read. FAIL for Jaksch. Needs a huge preseason.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:45 pm 
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Armfield ...YES!!!!!!!!

Man, this guy has balls.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:03 pm 
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Jaksch is being taught the lesson of total commitment for 4 qtrs. Like a the old NSW greyhounds, they will give him the sniff of a live kill (2 games this year) which will provide the incentive for a committed pre season. We want to replace our soft players with hardened committed ones. The days are numbered where players like Lappin, Houlihan and Everitt, who were picked on skill alone.


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