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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:38 pm 
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In terms of midfielders... well.
Graham fluffed his opportunity a few weeks ago but overall used the ball well Saturday and got plenty of it.
Whiley would be ineffective if promoted.
And that folks is it. Can't wait til Cunningham gets healthy.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:45 pm 
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And for the rest...
If looking for a like for like replacement for Byrne, Gowers is a good idea - as long as his ego stays the appropriate size.
Buckley could come in but really is a winger; you could go him or Boek at the expense of Andres.

And I think Jimmae is a bit out of form and could use a week off. Sorry mate, team balance.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:47 pm 
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It's ridiculous that KJ and Nicky aren't playing right now.
Both add to the team in areas we current lack depth in, midfield and forward! I'll even spell it out - support for Cripps and Casboult. Yet we have others playing those positions that gives us very little week in week out. I just don't get it but then again what do I know.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:03 pm 
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I'd bring either Jones or KJ in to provide more forward structure. We have got into the habit of pushing so far up the ground we have no one to kick to when we win the ball. White is not a forward but deserves a game overall. Jones does provide a target and is really having a crack. Pity he missed a set shot from 20 out dead in front on Saturday after a great mark...
Walker's time is very much drawing to a close.


Haven't lost many games with Jones in the side........


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:54 pm 
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Need to see KJ and find out is he's worth persisting with.

Everritt has been a pasenger for a few weeks now so he can make way for KJ.

Most likely Buckley in for Bryne. (Poor bastard)

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:35 pm 
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It's ridiculous that KJ and Nicky aren't playing right now.
Both add to the team in areas we current lack depth in, midfield and forward! I'll even spell it out - support for Cripps and Casboult. Yet we have others playing those positions that gives us very little week in week out. I just don't get it but then again what do I know.


Talk to the guru footy manager andrew mckay


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:54 pm 
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If BB really is talking about the future why isn't he playing just that.


Boekhurst; KJ: Gowers; all should be in this week with SOS. The older players are just not going to take us to the next level.


Out: Everitt (never to return); Byrne; Walker (though I have been a fan for a long time).

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:11 am 
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If BB really is talking about the future why isn't he playing just that.


Boekhurst; KJ: Gowers; all should be in this week with SOS. The older players are just not going to take us to the next level.


Out: Everitt (never to return); Byrne; Walker (though I have been a fan for a long time).


The future is about a team ethos, team structure, team effort. Players need to earn a game, which sets the standard for the future. No more handing out games with no form to warrant it.

KJ, Gowers, DVR have shown inconsistent form this year, but would be close to a Senior taste. If they can string a good month together.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:42 pm 
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Bolton needs to stick to the plan, win, lose or draw.

Every presser he did with the media he reiterated again and again we are not anything but a club in trouble that needs to improve through a process of ground up building. Right across the board.

We finished last. Last. No one expected anything this year except we'd finish above Essendon*, and even then, there were some doubters we could even manage that,

The Crows are going to annihilate us. I'm expecting somewhere in the 40-50 point bracket if we put up a decent fight. 100+ point belting if we don't.

As far as players are concerned, its irrelevant. We've got what we've got and by the time we're seriously in contention for finals, half of them won't be there anyway.

Its about process and setting standards within the club. Nothing more.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:52 pm 
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The Normal One wrote:

The future is about a team ethos, team structure, team effort. Players need to earn a game, which sets the standard for the future. No more handing out games with no form to warrant it.



Then why is Everitt consistently getting a game? He has been so poor in all the team values, it isn't funny anymore. I think KJ and Nicky are the 2 in particular who have been let down by theses team ethos rules! What more can either of these 2 guys do?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:27 pm 
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The Normal One wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
If BB really is talking about the future why isn't he playing just that.


Boekhurst; KJ: Gowers; all should be in this week with SOS. The older players are just not going to take us to the next level.


Out: Everitt (never to return); Byrne; Walker (though I have been a fan for a long time).


The future is about a team ethos, team structure, team effort. Players need to earn a game, which sets the standard for the future. No more handing out games with no form to warrant it.

KJ, Gowers, DVR have shown inconsistent form this year, but would be close to a Senior taste. If they can string a good month together.


The selection discussion works both ways
Just as players in the reserves must earn their spot, players in the seniors need to deserve their spot.
Right now, Everitt's form at AFL level is worthy of being omitted. He has been more inconsistent over the last few weeks than KJ has at VFL level

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:46 pm 
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Right now, Everitt's form at AFL level is worthy of being omitted. He has been more inconsistent over the last few weeks than KJ has at VFL level


From what I saw live at both games on Saturday, KJ would be much better value in our senior side.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:21 am 
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Who is to say Everitt won't be dropped this week?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:33 am 
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Graham needs a good go at it.

One week in, three weeks out is not cutting it.

He is clearly too good for the magoos. If they play him for the rest of the year he will make it.

Others are doing less in the 1s and are consistently rewarded.

Graham will be ok...if he is played


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:07 am 
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The Normal One wrote:
Who is to say Everitt won't be dropped this week?

He'll be very lucky to keep his spot IMO.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:46 pm 
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muzza wrote:
Graham needs a good go at it.

One week in, three weeks out is not cutting it.

He is clearly too good for the magoos. If they play him for the rest of the year he will make it.

Others are doing less in the 1s and are consistently rewarded.

Graham will be ok...if he is played



Graham's weakness can't be covered up. He is too slow. His lack of pace is exploited by the opposition and he is a liability especially on the MCG. Great at VFL level but not AFL.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:55 pm 
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We have to have a second marking forward in. Say what you want about Casboult but when he is there he is a target and can either mark or bring it down; I prefer him in the arcs and when that happens we need a secondary target. White isn't it. Getting over the back will get stopped by a good coach (Buckley stopped it in Q2).

So it needs Jaksch or Jones and I don't like Jones as a player.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:36 pm 
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I think that effort needs to be rewarded, and demanded. But furthermore, that we need to see if any of the players that have been lingering in the magoos have anything to offer going forward. Maybe the coaching staff have already established this, but a combination of these two criteria would keep me happy for the rest of the season. I'd rather spend the rest of this year, and the pre-season, getting excited about our next couple of years, than to see insipid 2 goal defeats that leave me wondering if we are going anywhere at all.

- Based on this, White would keep his spot if he has a role to play against Adelaide. If not, tell us he missed out because of match-ups although his effort is noted.
- Everitt's lack of physicality has been tolerated while he was kicking goals and offering a target. I know he was moved around last week, but if KJ is in the magoos because of his inconsistency, or lack of 4 qtr effort, than we can afford to bring him in (like for like) and give him an opportunity to prove that he can step up, and keep a spot.
- 1AW, thank you for 200 games, particularly through a really tough time. I think you've given your all and you are blue, through and through. I draw the curtain on his 2016 season. He's contracted for 2017 so would maybe look at putting him on ice and get him back across HB next year as depth. If he wanted a crack at a flag somewhere else, I'd give him our blessing. I'd bring Liam Jones in to replace him, until Harry Mckay is ready.
- I'd bring DVR in for Byrne. With Tuohy and Simmo running the ball out, I'd be happy with a slower player with silky disposal by foot to kick us out of the back half. Haven't seen DVR play so I'm relying on what I've read but it was something along the lines of him being deadly accurate with his kicking, but a bit of a plodder? Give him some exposure anyway. If he makes a mess of it, then give Gowers a shot at that spot.
- If White cannot keep his spot then I'd put Dick in (sorry, couldn't help it). He seems a similar type but hasn't had opportunity. Might be with due cause, but lets see.
- With Byrne on the long term injury list, I'd elevate JGM and get some games into him as well (if he's ready) as a potential replacement for Rowe, who has been battling valiantly over the last few weeks. He could also be brought in for White if Dick is not considered ready, or replace Weitering if he isn't fit to play this week.
- Tuohy has been serviceable but I don't think we should accept that anymore. I love him but would drop him and bring Buckley in. It might be good for them both. I'd give Buckley the role on Betts.
- Daisy got 6 clearances last week, and led the way, but I wouldn't have known if i didn't read it. I barely saw him through the game, but must admit I only watched it once on Foxtel. I could have been distracted by the rivetting commentary [sarcasm]. I'd have him holding onto his spot by the skin of his teeth, but would keep him in for his leadership and grit. I'd have no hesitation in bringing in Whiley or Graham to improve our clearances, and sacrifice that outside dash that ends in poor disposal.
- I'd drop Lamb and bring in Boekhurst. I've liked Lamb generally, but think that in a forward line that isn't kicking goals, things need to be changed around and that players need to realise they cannot become complacent.
- Casboult is just such an amazing mark, but its just not enough. I think we need to look at what we lose as much as what we gain by having him in the team. Once again, I'm a fan, but I'd drop him and give Gorringe another run. This would ultimately be Charlie Curnow's spot when he get's fit, if Gorringe can't hold it.

So it'd look like this;

Weitering Rowe Buckley
Simmo Ploughman Docherty
Boekhurst Curnow Daisy
Jaksch Gorringe Wright
Silvagni Jones Sumner

Foll: Gibbs, Cripps, Kruezer
Int: White, DVR, Phillips, Kerridge

Elevated: Jesse Glass-McCaskar named emergency to replace Weiters if he isn't fully fit.

I know I'd be dropping a lot of experience, but I don't care. I expect it'll be a loss anyway, but games into some inexperienced players (or opportunity) will show us all who needs to go at the end of the year, at the expense of some senior players who can't take us forward anyway, or become complacent through a lack of depth applying pressure for spots in the senior side.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:41 pm 
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BigGartos wrote:
In terms of midfielders... well.
Graham fluffed his opportunity a few weeks ago but overall used the ball well Saturday and got plenty of it.
Whiley would be ineffective if promoted.
And that folks is it. Can't wait til Cunningham gets healthy.


Would love to know how many consecutive games Whiley has had. Would take his desire and passion in a heartbeat over Everitt or Jones

I still think he is a MC whipping boy. FFS, give him 6-10 consecutive games otherwise players are just playing for survival and in a manufactured manner, rather than with natural ability (which I think he has)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:42 pm 
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Right now, Everitt's form at AFL level is worthy of being omitted. He has been more inconsistent over the last few weeks than KJ has at VFL level


From what I saw live at both games on Saturday, KJ would be much better value in our senior side.



I assume you're agreeing with me Taff

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