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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:41 am 
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Id let Bucks in ..he is so enthusiastic and zippy..
Remember both army and robbo were dreadful with disposals nd now they are rather good. :lol:
Gorringe and Walks(sadly) and Everitt out
Murph? And or Buckley, Phillips, KJ. In.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:49 pm 
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Id let Bucks in ..he is so enthusiastic and zippy..
Remember both army and robbo were dreadful with disposals nd now they are rather good. :lol:
Gorringe and Walks(sadly) and Everitt out
Murph? And or Buckley, Phillips, KJ. In.

What position would you play him in?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:19 pm 
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We don't have the midfield depth to cover GWS. I'm tipping a 40-60pt loss.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:32 pm 
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The Normal One wrote:
We don't have the midfield depth to cover GWS. I'm tipping a 40-60pt loss.



Yep about right, I'd take that. Hopefully we'll put up a decent effort and not drop our heads.
GWS are an excitingly awsome team and at home rather scary.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:57 pm 
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No Mummy no GWS. Get in their faces and bash them. They'll wilt.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:20 pm 
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Sin City wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
Id let Bucks in ..he is so enthusiastic and zippy..
Remember both army and robbo were dreadful with disposals nd now they are rather good. :lol:
Gorringe and Walks(sadly) and Everitt out
Murph? And or Buckley, Phillips, KJ. In.

What position would you play him in?

Mr zippy betwen the arcs.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:38 am 
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Fair enough, much prefer him there than as a small forward.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:43 am 
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GWS' Cameron has a bit of pace.
I think he's too fast for Rowe.
Hope Weitering gets to play on him.

IF Mummy doesn't play....we're a chance.

Jaksch imo has more chance at success than Gorringe if VFL form is an indicator.
Gorringe was selected because Kreuzer Philips and Casboult were out injured not because he was knocking on the door.
In fact Gorringe was out injured the week before his first AFL game for Carlton ie no form..

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:15 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
GWS' Cameron has a bit of pace.
I think he's too fast for Rowe.
Hope Weitering gets to play on him.


IF Mummy doesn't play....we're a chance.

Jaksch imo has more chance at success than Gorringe if VFL form is an indicator.
Gorringe was selected because Kreuzer Philips and Casboult were out injured not because he was knocking on the door.
In fact Gorringe was out injured the week before his first AFL game for Carlton ie no form..

I don't think we have anyone who can match Cameron in that regard right now, but agree that Weitering would be the best bet.

Unfortunately VFL form is not a great indicator if the team fails to play near enough to AFL intensity (or isn't being pushed to).

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:17 am 
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Sin City wrote:
Fair enough, much prefer him there than as a small forward.

Oh yeah for sure!! :)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:40 am 
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jimmae wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
GWS' Cameron has a bit of pace.
I think he's too fast for Rowe.
Hope Weitering gets to play on him.


IF Mummy doesn't play....we're a chance.

Jaksch imo has more chance at success than Gorringe if VFL form is an indicator.
Gorringe was selected because Kreuzer Philips and Casboult were out injured not because he was knocking on the door.
In fact Gorringe was out injured the week before his first AFL game for Carlton ie no form..

I don't think we have anyone who can match Cameron in that regard right now, but agree that Weitering would be the best bet.

Unfortunately VFL form is not a great indicator if the team fails to play near enough to AFL intensity (or isn't being pushed to).


True, but generally the VFL form determines who is knocking the door down especially if the player doesn't have a reputation.

IMO Gorringe hasn't achieved much in the VFL and apart from the Lions game (which lacked the AFL intensity you mention) Jaksch' form has Gorringe covered. I don't know if Jaksch is AFL ready, well, to the level we would like him to perform. Just saying, there is a chance Jaksch will be selected to play against his old team.

Curnow.C has been given a few games to show his wares and done well.
Jones has been given 3 games and did well.
Gorringe has been given 3 games and did well in one game and didn't do well at all against NM and Saints

With 10 games to go I think we will get a look at Jaksch, hopefully Silvagni, Gowers, Cuningham, and maybe Rainbow and McKay.

The player I would love love love to see back in the team is Sheehan strutting his stuff. He was AFL class when he played fit.

I'm going to this game. Maybe as a GWS guest but I'd rather be in the outer yelling my guts out for the Blues as they get over the GWS in the dying minutes

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Mark J wrote:
White has been playing well up until last week, when imo he was played out of position by the MC.
He would have been the perfect match up for Membery.
There was no obvious matchup for Weitering last week and reckon the MC missed a great opportunity to try him forward.
White stays in, and I'd just bring in Phillips for Gorringe.
I don't think Whiley or Tutt are AFL standard and will not improve our team, so no to them.



The change adds nothing in areas we need to improve if we want to have a chnace of winning. We need to drop at least one if not two talls for speed so replacing Gorringe with Phillips just makes us slower and more exposed. To have any chance we have to apply pressure to their ball carriers which requires speed and the option of more rotations.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:35 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
GWS' Cameron has a bit of pace.
I think he's too fast for Rowe.
Hope Weitering gets to play on him.


IF Mummy doesn't play....we're a chance.

Jaksch imo has more chance at success than Gorringe if VFL form is an indicator.
Gorringe was selected because Kreuzer Philips and Casboult were out injured not because he was knocking on the door.
In fact Gorringe was out injured the week before his first AFL game for Carlton ie no form..

I don't think we have anyone who can match Cameron in that regard right now, but agree that Weitering would be the best bet.

Unfortunately VFL form is not a great indicator if the team fails to play near enough to AFL intensity (or isn't being pushed to).


True, but generally the VFL form determines who is knocking the door down especially if the player doesn't have a reputation.

IMO Gorringe hasn't achieved much in the VFL and apart from the Lions game (which lacked the AFL intensity you mention) Jaksch' form has Gorringe covered. I don't know if Jaksch is AFL ready, well, to the level we would like him to perform. Just saying, there is a chance Jaksch will be selected to play against his old team.

Curnow.C has been given a few games to show his wares and done well.
Jones has been given 3 games and did well.
Gorringe has been given 3 games and did well in one game and didn't do well at all against NM and Saints

With 10 games to go I think we will get a look at Jaksch, hopefully Silvagni, Gowers, Cuningham, and maybe Rainbow and McKay.

The player I would love love love to see back in the team is Sheehan strutting his stuff. He was AFL class when he played fit.

I'm going to this game. Maybe as a GWS guest but I'd rather be in the outer yelling my guts out for the Blues as they get over the GWS in the dying minutes

I agree that Jaksch and Silvagni are the fit and in-form forwards sitting out of the team right now, what I'm trying to say is that Gorringe's strengths are better highlighted at the AFL level, namely his speed, his ball handling skills and his ability to consistently apply pressure at an above average (bordering elite) level for a key position player of his size.

At VFL level, particularly with a side that was struggling to maintain possession, he didn't get anywhere near as many opportunities to show those wares. I think if he went back now, he'd probably demand selection again fairly quickly, as it needs to be remembered that the VFL side and Gorringe were both adapting to the gameplan (and also the position in Gorringe's case).

Need to factor all this stuff in when making selection choices. He might well get dropped for Phillips, I just don't think it's that good an idea once you take more factors than his statistical and ruck performance against the Saints. It's important to consider his form as a forward first and foremost across the last month. He's trending upwards.

Walker deserves more ire in terms of his form trend.

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Plowman is a good fit for Cameron.


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Dominator_7 wrote:
Their pace will destroy us

Yeah, watching their game against the Bombers and while they don't really have Smith/Hill type run and carry players what they do have is a stack of ball winning mids with breakaway pace. We've been lit up by a few of these guys like Steven, Cooney, Hannebery and the Ablett/Hall combo so I'm a bit nervous about how we'll go against a midfield stacked with them.

They move the ball a lot like 2012 Sydney with a lot of handballs put of the contest and then a long kick to a contest, then the same again eventually hitting up one of their three tall forwards. Their zone defence isn't as crowded as some teams but they do force you out wide, we might not be as lucky in front of goal as we have the last three weeks unless our small forwards can find a lot of space.


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Armfield's out for three with a groin injury

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Armfield's out for three with a groin injury


Perfect timing :banghead:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:11 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
Sin City wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
Id let Bucks in ..he is so enthusiastic and zippy..
Remember both army and robbo were dreadful with disposals nd now they are rather good. :lol:
Gorringe and Walks(sadly) and Everitt out
Murph? And or Buckley, Phillips, KJ. In.

What position would you play him in?

Mr zippy betwen the arcs.

His chances just got a whole lot better.


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Out: Walker, Armfield, White
In: Silvagni, Buckley, Jaksch

Please, no more of this White & Graham yo-yo

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jimmae wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
GWS' Cameron has a bit of pace.
I think he's too fast for Rowe.
Hope Weitering gets to play on him.


IF Mummy doesn't play....we're a chance.

Jaksch imo has more chance at success than Gorringe if VFL form is an indicator.
Gorringe was selected because Kreuzer Philips and Casboult were out injured not because he was knocking on the door.
In fact Gorringe was out injured the week before his first AFL game for Carlton ie no form..

I don't think we have anyone who can match Cameron in that regard right now, but agree that Weitering would be the best bet.

Unfortunately VFL form is not a great indicator if the team fails to play near enough to AFL intensity (or isn't being pushed to).


True, but generally the VFL form determines who is knocking the door down especially if the player doesn't have a reputation.

IMO Gorringe hasn't achieved much in the VFL and apart from the Lions game (which lacked the AFL intensity you mention) Jaksch' form has Gorringe covered. I don't know if Jaksch is AFL ready, well, to the level we would like him to perform. Just saying, there is a chance Jaksch will be selected to play against his old team.

Curnow.C has been given a few games to show his wares and done well.
Jones has been given 3 games and did well.
Gorringe has been given 3 games and did well in one game and didn't do well at all against NM and Saints

With 10 games to go I think we will get a look at Jaksch, hopefully Silvagni, Gowers, Cuningham, and maybe Rainbow and McKay.

The player I would love love love to see back in the team is Sheehan strutting his stuff. He was AFL class when he played fit.

I'm going to this game. Maybe as a GWS guest but I'd rather be in the outer yelling my guts out for the Blues as they get over the GWS in the dying minutes

I agree that Jaksch and Silvagni are the fit and in-form forwards sitting out of the team right now,


Jones is the in-form forward at the moment.

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