Bingo, BV- most AFL playing lists are very talented and not necessarily bottom 4 (ok, maybe Essenscum- they're self-inflicted and conflicted!!) What seperates the top4-6 is the coaching; the execution of the skills; and the overall fitness in which to execute the skills for longer. Amongst other intangibles.

We have lost a number of top class players over the past 12 months, sit at 6-5 with improvement in almost every area of the ground and the reality is that we have a huge upside, yet people still pidgin us as a bottom 4 playing list/team. Amazing.

With our new found resergence, I'm excited about what this group can do in the next year or so!

Really love to see Jack get his chance but i think the only spot he could take in terms of team balance is Walker or Jed Lamb. I cant see either of them making way even though personally i'd drop Walker and bring jack in

Agree. Plenty of empirical evidence to support.

Top shelf response.

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Our percentage is bottom 6 or 7 and if you did a ladder based on percentage, we are three places higher than we should be. This might be a reasonable indicator that our list is over achieving

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So maybe bottom 4 is too harsh, but don't forget Essendon* have an asterisk this year

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A list can only be measured with respect to results. Based on the last 8 weeks, we have one of the better lists in the comp.
what this list is able to sustain and quality of talent is subject to future debate

The real issue with the list is that no one really took into account the quality of what Phillips gorringe kerridge wright plowman sumner and lamb would bring - ie it was thought that maybe 2 out of the lot would be serviceable footballers and the rest would be reserve players - not stars but most decent footballers who are at an age where they will develop and all have played senior footy and look promising

Moreover last year the list severely underperformed obviously because of Mick and antiquated game plan and messaging - leadership group non existent ie simpson gibbs murphy all performed poorly for various reasons - this year much better

Middle tier players in the second half of their careers much better than last year Kreuz Rowe Curnow Tuohy playing better

Younger guns Docherty Cripps playing better

Weiters -a brilliant introduction and to a lesser extent Curnow promising and byrne being effectively a new recruit

We also this year don't have talented players - yarran and Henderson basically not trying to hard and that sort of effort rubbing off on the other players


Still need to build and continue to introduce youth but list much better performing and much better balanced than last year

Only player really not playing as well as last year is Jamo who because of injuries is almost clapped out (PS still think he has been a great warrior for the club - not a criticism)

nice summary frank

Hit it on the head Frank.

And ... this improvement has come despite all the damage that was caused over the last 3 years. Well done Silvagni ... Well done Bolton ... Well done Carlton.

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All good points. So the list has taken a quantum leap forward under sos. Sos has been the sole recruiting guy this year as paul brodie hass been "indisposed". With these results, what does it say about our existing recruitment structure? Undermanned and uderperforming? Or working adequately? Or working well?
It seems one of the biggest criticisms of the club/board this year is their failure to appoint rogers replacement. Valid point or nit picking to suit their agenda?

One final point on this topic. It is a team game. Who cares about individual talent if we are winning. A champion team will always beat a team of champions and that is a proven formula.

The real issue with the list was the person in charge of that list

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[quote="chelodina"]We have a top 4 playing style (system and pressure) with bottom 4 playing list

In saying that, we need to play like we played Brisbane. We had no run initially, but our pressure was still good. Saints will be up early, so we just have to go with them.


Don't you mean the intensity and pressure we applied against Geelong, if we come to play like that, I can't see us losing?

If Riewoldt gets up to play, even though he may still be a bit proppy, the mere existence of him being out on the field, will inspire the saints players, and it could end up to be a very close game. If he misses, I think we should have a comfortable win? He is the spirit of StKilda, and if he misses, we win?

StK/Carl

Delaney, Lee, Wright, Pierce, Acres, Minchington, Sinclair 4 Riewoldt, Dempster, McCartin, Goddard

Sumner, Phillips, Silvagni in 25

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I reckon the SOS pick might be ceremonial, though the Saints are pretty depleted.

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Looking at the bench Silvagni Graham and Phillips will likely miss I think

Interchange From*
27 Dennis Armfield
38 Ciaran Byrne
37 Daniel Gorringe
32 Nick Graham
34 Andrew Phillips
2 Jack Silvagni
43 Simon White

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Congrats to ECurnow on 100 games.
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