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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:44 pm 
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I thought Brisbane had all the hallmarks of a danger game. Rapt to get the result but we were just ok IMHO and we didn't have it all our own way.

Loved Bolts after the match where it was clear he was far from pleased with our "inconsistencies".

Reckon we will be up for this week.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:53 pm 
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Anyone else tried to buy tickets for Sunday? It's showing me only one section available in the whole stadium - behind goals on level 1. Find that hard to believe?



Just keep checking a couple of times a day....other sections become available from experience.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:55 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Anyone else tried to buy tickets for Sunday? It's showing me only one section available in the whole stadium - behind goals on level 1. Find that hard to believe?



Just keep checking a couple of times a day....other sections become available from experience.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 4:37 pm 
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I think the best thing about the 2016 Blues is that we are no longer flaky.
I expect to win this game, whereas in past years, I'd be wondering how we are going to lose it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:06 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
I think the best thing about the 2016 Blues is that we are no longer flaky.
I expect to win this game, whereas in past years, I'd be wondering how we are going to lose it.


Hit the nail.

That's where my confidence comes from. We are not flaky.
Win or lose, as long as effort is there I'm a winner, for now.

I do expect wins now.

I expect a percentage booster.

Sumner for Graham perhaps. Jaksch or Philips for Gorringe. Maybe no change this week.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:57 pm 
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Many here seem very confident. I am still trying to get 10 years of ingrained disappointment out of my system. Every game still a danger game for me - just far less disappointed if we lose than in the past as I see the plan, the hope and the future.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:05 pm 
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Wet Willie wrote:
Silvagni would offer more that Everett at the moment...


I'm not a fan of Everitt's but ATM, he offers more than SOJ. Don't be seduced by his VFL form. Will get pummelled and rag dolled at AFL level.
Leave him in the seconds for the whole year, save for 2-3 tasters later in the year.
Full pre-season and introduce him more into the seniors

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:50 am 
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jimmae wrote:
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Bolton seems determined to keep Casboult away from the 2nd ruck position.


I suspect its his leg injury. They were using him as a second ruck before he was injured.

Yup, he's a prime candidate for jumper's knee injuries with the way he flies for marks. So while he has to manage that and Gorringe has form, it's not a selection headache for us.


I thought Levi looked to have no real spring often on the weekend. His hands are often talked about but his leap is missed. He wasn't able to 'launch' at it like normal.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 6:37 am 
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I think the boys were pretty tired from a six day break after a triumphant bruising win against the cats. They should be fresh this week and ready to go


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:18 am 
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windows wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Bolton seems determined to keep Casboult away from the 2nd ruck position.


I suspect its his leg injury. They were using him as a second ruck before he was injured.

Yup, he's a prime candidate for jumper's knee injuries with the way he flies for marks. So while he has to manage that and Gorringe has form, it's not a selection headache for us.


I thought Levi looked to have no real spring often on the weekend. His hands are often talked about but his leap is missed. He wasn't able to 'launch' at it like normal.


You must have missed the leap where he nearly finished on his head on his landing. He was getting off the ground OK.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:44 am 
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Clayman wrote:
windows wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Bolton seems determined to keep Casboult away from the 2nd ruck position.


I suspect its his leg injury. They were using him as a second ruck before he was injured.

Yup, he's a prime candidate for jumper's knee injuries with the way he flies for marks. So while he has to manage that and Gorringe has form, it's not a selection headache for us.


I thought Levi looked to have no real spring often on the weekend. His hands are often talked about but his leap is missed. He wasn't able to 'launch' at it like normal.


You must have missed the leap where he nearly finished on his head on his landing. He was getting off the ground OK.


The Lions seemed to work on taking his run at the pack away from him which in turn limited his ability to leap. Didn't seemed to get a lot of air most of the game, but certainly did in that one contest so I doubt he was too hampered by the leg.

More generally on this game, given the effect of consecutive games at Etihad and the amount of hard running the team as a whole has had to do with injuries etc I am more inclined than I would normally be to consider a change or 2 to get some fresh legs in. If Kreuzer isn't right then Phillips in for him, I don't want to be relying on Gorringe backed up by Casboult/Rowe as our ruck division, but if the club were to go that way perhaps Jaksch could get a chance. Assuming Sumner is right get him in for Graham who would be stiff but doesn't give us a lot of run. if Sumner doesn't come up reward Tutt for his consistent efforts in the 2s. I don't think he is a firsts quality player but he deserves a chance to show otherwise and this is the week to get some fresh legs in IMO. Everitt is only just going but he is one of our few potential goalkickers so he stays, Walker is slowly showing signs of improvement so he too stays.

So in summary

Sumner/Tutt for Graham and Phillips for Kreuzer if he doesn't some up.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:30 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sumner for Graham perhaps. Jaksch or Philips for Gorringe. Maybe no change this week.


this is interesting to me, bb. taking gorringe out of the team after his game on the weekend is a pretty ridiculous notion, imo.

a guy has a great game, and you bench him? (is that because you've pigeon holed him as a scrub?)

... that's the exact kind of deflating, move for the sake of making a move, which saw us be such a pathetic club from top-to-bottom for the last decade plus.


tbf, re gorringe's game on the weekend. he showed more in that one game than jacksh has shown in the grand sum of all of his games in the 1's and 2's for us.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:51 am 
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We have a top 4 playing style (system and pressure) with bottom 4 playing list

Improving the playing list is the next stage. However in doing that, ie. Blooding new kids, they may not be able to apply the same pressure and system throughout the entire game.

So there will be downs as we progress. Similarly if any of our bottom 4 playing list drop intensity even a little bit, we will drop games like this.

In saying that, we need to play like we played Brisbane. We had no run initially, but our pressure was still good. Saints will be up early, so we just have to go with them

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:33 am 
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sumner for Graham perhaps. Jaksch or Philips for Gorringe. Maybe no change this week.


this is interesting to me, bb. taking gorringe out of the team after his game on the weekend is a pretty ridiculous notion, imo.

a guy has a great game, and you bench him? (is that because you've pigeon holed him as a scrub?)

... that's the exact kind of deflating, move for the sake of making a move, which saw us be such a pathetic club from top-to-bottom for the last decade plus.


tbf, re gorringe's game on the weekend. he showed more in that one game than jacksh has shown in the grand sum of all of his games in the 1's and 2's for us.



TBF I'm not the MC, and I'm guessing there will not be any change. I'm throwing up different names than the obvious.

I thought Gorringe's stats for last week's game was really impressive. In fact, his stats were better than Walker's. In fact, Gorringe's stats against Lions were better than all Walker's games this year. Doesn't mean much though.

As for Jaksch, I'm not sure what the MC have in mind. What I expect though is that he'll be given time in the seniors just as other big men such as Jones Philips Gorringe have. Jaksch is close to selection, and you can take that to the bank.

I wouldn't say that Gorringe showed more than Jaksch in the NB's before his call up, but got the call up nevertheless because we needed a ruckman.
My bet is that Gorringe hasn't cemented a spot in the seniors, but he has put his hand up for a spot on our 2017 list.

The MC have given everyone a go including Jones, who was also unfortunate to lose his spot after a competitive showing.
Maybe he was going for chest marks again.

So, who knows how the MC will go? I don't. But I'm interested.

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chelodina wrote:
We have a top 4 playing style (system and pressure) with bottom 4 playing list.


It's pretty hard to rate our list, given the shambles the club as a whole has been over the last few years. But I probably agree with this. Although I'm really happy with the talent we got to the club via trade and draft last year. Senior group of players have been magnificent this year (apart from Jamison, and to a lesser extent Walker). Loving the system and belief and effort that I'm seeing. We've probably 'overachieved' this year. But then again, I didn't especially rate West Coast's list at the start of last year, and their improvement has been astonishing. Likewise St Kilda, and they've looked far better than I expected. So maybe what outstanding coaching does is mask your talent deficiencies somewhat as well as producing significant improvement in your playing talent.


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Maybe this could be a game to increase our percentage?

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bluegirl72 wrote:
Maybe this could be a game to increase our percentage?


You said it, not me. But I've been thinking it.

Just a win will do, but if we can gain 10% from a huge win that will send our season into a frenzy: amongst everyone, media, supporters, opponents...

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bluegirl72 wrote:
Maybe this could be a game to increase our percentage?

Just read an article from the Saints about their injury list. Of their defenders, Dempster and Goddard are definitely joining Fisher on sidelines. Up forward McCartin is a definite out, Riewoldt a test. Billy Longer is also out with concussion and obviously Carlisle suspended too.

Would be a good week to stack the forward with talls.


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Sin City wrote:
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Maybe this could be a game to increase our percentage?

Just read an article from the Saints about their injury list. Of their defenders, Dempster and Goddard are definitely joining Fisher on sidelines. Up forward McCartin is a definite out, Riewoldt a test. Billy Longer is also out with concussion and obviously Carlisle suspended too.

Would be a good week to stack the forward with talls.


This.

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chelodina wrote:
We have a top 4 playing style (system and pressure) with bottom 4 playing list



What makes our playing list bottom 4?
Our disposal efficiency has been top shelf. Effort is top shelf, ability to maintain possession is top shelf.
Surely they're indicators of player talent?

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