From BigFooty poster dvas987:

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Why would you drop Gorringe, from my view of the game he pulled his weight, why wouldn't you give him a decent run in the seniors and allow him a chance to settle in

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They don't want Cas rucking.

When will people learn.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

I'm in the same boat.

Pleasantly surprised to see Gorringe jumping into the other ruckman, using his leap.
Goldstein was a man mountain for the Gorringe last weekend.
Maybe he's adapting to the requirements of AFL under Bolton

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Exactly Cimm.

Totally agree its obvious Bolton prefers the 2 bonafide ruckmen and Casboult as the true KPF.

Doesn't matter what we think should or shouldn't be the ruck combo. Bolton knows best.

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Tommi's form is 'hot hot hot'

Very funny

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West 199 vs Rowe....West is ex Geelong ruckman
Freeman 198 vs White... Freeman is heir first Academy kid
Schache 199 vs Weitering...hey maybe JGM may get a look at him again (Rookie listed)
Martin 197 vs Kreuzer/ Gorringe/ Casboult....Martin will be jumping into Kreuzer...we must pound into Martins thighs to take away the jumping weapon.

We've got their big men covered in height, in the air, and mobility.

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Any one who was happy with one spot on the bench labelled 'reserved for ruck rotation' has lost their grip on reality, and staves off total madness by repeating the same tired line at every available opportunity.

If Kreuzer has shit form up forward, and Phillips has shit form up forward, and Kreuzer is by far and away the better and more dynamic ruckman, as well as a dominant player who has built a career around taking 75+% of the ruck workload, you formulate a plan based around Kreuzer and send Phillips to the reserves until he rightly shows significant form and fitness in one or both roles.

We had a plan, the plan was pretty lacklustre, and we got to change the plan when Phillips went down. The new plan's working pretty well. Out of desperation, we turned to a guy who wasn't showing four-quarter performances at VFL level as a forward/ruck but had the talent, gave him an almighty baptism of fire and then stuck with him when he showed some enthusiasm in a forward role because we had Jones barely keeping his head above water.

The only reason anyone wanted rid of the Kreuzer/Phillips combination is because it was flat as a @#$%&! tack, and that has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Bolton doesn't strike me as an arrogant man, so don't expect him to change a winning formula any time soon, certainly not this week.

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

From what I saw he looks like a lot more VFL time needed.. strength conditioning..skills.. the lot need working on. I know others disagree but I want to see Jaksch in.

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In fine fettle.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Rhys Mathieson used to dive and flail about all over the place, and was told to stop but didn't. This is why he slipped so far in the draft.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

I think you're really getting yourself wound up on the 2 rucks, Whitey etc...take a chill pill.

We have won all our games with 2 rucks.
Bolton chooses the 2 rucks. He approves.
We started winning games with Philips in the ruck and imo was doing better than Kreuzer at the time.
Philips didn't get dropped. He did a hamstring.
Bolton prefers the 2 rucks. Proven since Philips' injury. That's not arrogance, that's his preference.
If Bolton decides to go in with just Kreuzer as the sole ruckman then I back that too.
At this stage, it has been 2 rucks from round 1-10.

I don't understand where you are coming from or what your post is trying to say.
You don't want a 2nd ruck or no 2nd rucks like Philips or Gorringe?

What happens when injury prone Kreuzer goes down during the game?
Remember that game against the Saints at the G when Kreuzer came off with a foot injury? No plan B.

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I'm pretty sure I covered it fairly clearly, save for clarifying at the start of the highlighted sentence: 'We had another plan'

The only time we've picked a second ruck as a primarily a ruck has been when we selected Kreuzer and Phillips together. It's otherwise been:

Kreuzer & Levi (rds 6-7), Kreuzer & Rowe (rd 8 ), Gorringe & Rowe (rd 9) and Kreuzer & Gorringe (rd 10).

If Phillips comes straight back into the team based on his ruck performance in the VFL, even in the face of form from Gorringe as a forward, I'll eat my words then, but we tried to turn Kreuzer into the forward/ruck, and it just doesn't take.

Ratten tried to do it, Malthouse tried to do it. He loves to be in midfield, he loves to be snapping around contests more than he loves flying into them, and thus he's suited to being a workhorse through midfield. If Bolts wants to convert him, it's going to be a slow process, and one that robs the team of an elite talent in another position.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I don't agree with your definitions or your sampling.

"we had a plan"....and then you go on and suggest "it was lack lustre"...who says that? YOU! not 'WE". You're extremely bias. You should state IMO more often and that has been a criticism of you for a long time.

Round 6 we beat Essendon*. Philips kicked the sealer. He also did his hamstring, and wasn't available thereafter, nor was the 2nd ruck because the only other bonafide ruckman on our list was Wood rookie and Korcheck developing. You will eat your words because you're ignoring what has been the preference before Philips got injured. You have to face fact and say "Philips wasn't omitted. He has been out due to injury". If you can't admit that to staret with, you are way off the truth.

"The only time" Philips has been around as the 2nd ruckman was 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and he's been injured since.

2nd rucks have been forward - rucks, including Levi and Rowe.
What we did this and we robbed Rowe from defense and Levi as our CHF because we didn't have a bona fide 2nd ruckman for the support role. That is obvious.

I know you don't like Philips or White, but you have to face facts as to their role in our team circa 2016.

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I think all kindergarten teachers should be in guard as well!

Clearance differentials:

With Phillips:
-4 (L)
-7 (L)
-8 (L)
-9 (L)
-6 (W)
-2 (W, without Cripps)

Without Phillips:
+11 (W)
-3 (W)
-12 (L, without Kreuzer)
+7 (W)

Apologies on misjudging which round the Essendon* game was.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Really, if we bring the same intensity we brought against the Cats on Saturday, this should be an easy win.
But on their day, as the Hawks found out last week, the Lions can be a formidable opponent and not that easy o shake off.
Just need to maintain focus, make sure the players keep their feet on the ground this week after all the good press we ve been getting.
On a side not, wish Tommy Bell a good game, but not too good. Feel no ill will towards him.
Robbo on the other hand, I hope cops a few crunching tackles from big Crippa!!

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Kruezer + Phillips was a failed configuration. I'm sure Bolton is smart enough to learn from that...

Jimmae - I actually don't mind your POV - normally.
However, on this occasion you are being pretty random re Phillips. He and Kruezer worked well together in our win against the bombers and freo. Phillips was on the 'up'.

So help me with your 'that has been proven without a shadow of doubt'. Phillips adds value - at least that's what the MC believe.

So what you're suggesting is improvement in clearances was due to Philips being out, not the opposition, not the mids, not our improvement with the game plan, endurance and confidence.

The point you're trying to prove is the role of 2nd rucks????? Gorringe last week was 2nd ruck +7 (W).

I'm not an idiot, and don't have too much time for moulding statistics to suit ones position. I've worked at Board level and headed Marketing for a public listed company...oh and boy could we make our figures sing and watch our share price rise with the hype.....your figures speak with fork tongue.

You fail to prove any point re 2nd ruck, and I'm glad Kreuzer has found form as a ruck rover in the last 2 weeks.

Can't wait till we have a dominant ruckman like Goldstein one day, but more than happy Kreuzer has found some form and increased his desperation to make the contest. No doubt we need the Kreuzer.

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