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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 10:14 am 
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when is captain phillips back?

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 10:17 am 
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you don't agree


Not really. Gorringe lacks the physical intent to play as a ruckman. We went into the game with a plan to tie Goldstein up at the stoppages around the ground which he did OK but he needed to be more physical at the centre bounces. At least he could have jumped into Goldstein to make him pay a price physically but he didn't even do that.
Our problem is Cam Wood isn't a good centre bounce ruckman either. He's more value at getting clearances once the ball hits the ground. We needed someone with some physical intent. Someone who would get his knees into Goldsteins ribs so his focus wasn't purely on putting the ball on a 5 cent piece. If you were Gorringe and fighting for a spot on an AFL list, wouldn't you do that instead of meekly conceding every contest? I'm not writing the bloke off completely but he needs to show more to keep his spot in the team IMHO.


I was surprised Gorringe didn't try to smash into Goldy knees first, if you are concerned about getting hurt it would appear the safest strategy.
Watching the game it looked like Gorringes first (and possibly only) tactic was to try and take Goldsteins run, but that either didn't work or he got paid a block.

Would the coaches have told him to do that ?

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 10:20 am 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
when is captain phillips back?


It was 2-3 weeks which was encouraging, but it might be the 1-2 zone now and I've seen guys go in there and never be heard from again.

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 11:27 am 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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when is captain phillips back?


It was 2-3 weeks which was encouraging, but it might be the 1-2 zone now and I've seen guys go in there and never be heard from again.

The CFC triangle.

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 11:50 am 
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The cats will insert the entire fist in this one. I won't lie, it's going to hurt.


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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 11:56 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
SUNDAY 1:10 PM

Cats will be more than a bit annoyed after today, so expect another lesson.

Tall team on every line, so we're more of a chance to beat them with our run. Collingwood showed today that they have been carrying the same weaknesses for years.

Out: Everitt, White

In: Wood, Cuningham

Everyone knows I'm a fan of how Everitt sees the game for the most part, but when your team mates don't hit up some nice leads, something isn't going well. Perhaps it's team rules, perhaps it's a lack of trust in his marking ability, perhaps his 'short steps' when running with the flight errs too far on the side of shirking the contest from those overseeing the game plan (I personally think smashing head-long into a contest when you don't have a hope in hell of affecting it beyond a free kick against is dumb, but that's just me I guess).

White was abysmal and had a decent match-up in Waite, which he eventually took on, and failed at. Awful decision maker with the footy, and when to take possession of the footy. Rowe can go back into defence.

If we're not going to eschew the traditional ruck setup to try and keep performing players in their best positions for the team, then I guess we plonk Gorringe up forward and give him a go at his long-term position. Wood is just about the slowest player in the league, but he's 6'9 and has confidence in the ruck position.

For mine, we should be looking to add spread around the centre clearances and general clearances, and Cuningham delivers on that front. Walker's first half probably shades anything that Boekhorst can come up with today.

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 11:56 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Out: White, Everitt
In: Jaksch, Wood

Touhy Rowe Weitering
Docherty Plowman Byrne
Gibbs Cripps Simpson
Kerridge Jaksch Thomas
Gorridge Jones Sumner
Wood Curnow Murphy
Walker Wright Lamb Armfield

Rowe to go back. Needed for Hawkins and was terrible, terrible forward. Lucky to survive.
Wood needs to come in and Gorridge to play forward/ruck. Give him a chance for 2 weeks.
KP, gut busting, goal kicking Everitt to make way for Jaksch. Mr invisible, when pressure is applied needs a rest. Body battered and bruised.

I'm starting to worry about Barker and our midfield setups, etc. I like Barker but there is a trend emerging when he is in charge as a line coach. Hopefully I'm wrong.


Think Walker will be out before Everitt. For all his faults and frustrations Everitt generally hasn't been bad. Does usually give plenty of value on the scoreboard. Walker isn't right now. Unlucky as he missed 6 weeks and after a decent round 1 game, as struggled to come back. Best to get that form back in the NBs.


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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 11:58 am 
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Geelong on the rebound. Thanks Collingwood.


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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 12:56 pm 
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Oh boy some harsh medicine to be taken next week.

Luckily the four wins on the trot should keep the faithful from tearing their own eyes out.


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We are gonna loose by a million.

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 2:34 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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Unless injured, Walker won't miss the Indigenous Round.


Talk about luck.





So, I wonder which it is:

a) The match committee is more interested in what the Indigenous Round is meant to offer than it is in what is best for the club results-wise

or

b) Walker is in our current best 22?

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I thought he could have had two goals and an assist in the first half despite the lacklustre (and cowardly) forward entries.

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Jesus.

Armfield does everything right since his return but we get smashed in the ruck and it he's the guy who pays the price.

Well said.


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Blue Vain wrote:
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you don't agree


Not really. Gorringe lacks the physical intent to play as a ruckman. We went into the game with a plan to tie Goldstein up at the stoppages around the ground which he did OK but he needed to be more physical at the centre bounces. At least he could have jumped into Goldstein to make him pay a price physically but he didn't even do that.
Our problem is Cam Wood isn't a good centre bounce ruckman either. He's more value at getting clearances once the ball hits the ground. We needed someone with some physical intent. Someone who would get his knees into Goldsteins ribs so his focus wasn't purely on putting the ball on a 5 cent piece. If you were Gorringe and fighting for a spot on an AFL list, wouldn't you do that instead of meekly conceding every contest? I'm not writing the bloke off completely but he needs to show more to keep his spot in the team IMHO.



I don't disagreeing bv he did need to be more physical but that's not the point I was making


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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 5:21 pm 
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Jaksch will surely come in after 4 goals today. That's 12 for the season including games of 3,3 and 4, while playing both some time, and other entire games, in defence. Last week 20 touches and 6 marks in defence, this week 4 goals. Not much more he can do.


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Blue Vain wrote:
redback wrote:
you don't agree


Not really. Gorringe lacks the physical intent to play as a ruckman. We went into the game with a plan to tie Goldstein up at the stoppages around the ground which he did OK but he needed to be more physical at the centre bounces. At least he could have jumped into Goldstein to make him pay a price physically but he didn't even do that.
Our problem is Cam Wood isn't a good centre bounce ruckman either. He's more value at getting clearances once the ball hits the ground. We needed someone with some physical intent. Someone who would get his knees into Goldsteins ribs so his focus wasn't purely on putting the ball on a 5 cent piece. If you were Gorringe and fighting for a spot on an AFL list, wouldn't you do that instead of meekly conceding every contest? I'm not writing the bloke off completely but he needs to show more to keep his spot in the team IMHO.


Sometimes you see the most innocuous things and you think there might be something in it. IIRC, the kick Gorringe took at the siren from 60 out just fell short...but it was an accurate kick. If his kicking is ok, maybe we try him up forward

I'd bring Wood and Boekhorst and drop either Everitt/Walker and Lamb

Gorringe to FF, Jones up the field as a lead up fwd

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We all wrote Phillips off earlier this year as a ruckman. Should give Gorringe some more time.
There no hurry with the rebuild as GWS are a juggernaut.


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Rexy wrote:
We all wrote Phillips off earlier this year as a ruckman. Should give Gorringe some more time.
There no hurry with the rebuild as GWS are a juggernaut.


Who's we?

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cimm1979 wrote:
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We all wrote Phillips off earlier this year as a ruckman. Should give Gorringe some more time.
There no hurry with the rebuild as GWS are a juggernaut.


Who's we?

Sorry forgot you're never wrong


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Rexy wrote:
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We all wrote Phillips off earlier this year as a ruckman. Should give Gorringe some more time.
There no hurry with the rebuild as GWS are a juggernaut.


Who's we?

Sorry forgot you're never wrong


It's a burden I live with.

But there were quite a few people on here who realised that he might need a few games to pick up the pace.

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