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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 3:20 pm 
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Understand white is versatile and as I say tries his guts out - no want of effort but please he is not a tall defender and is not a midfielder either


I think the reason players like White, Jones and Walker are favoured is because they buy into the team defence idea.

They may not be best available individually but team defence will win matches, not relying on Rowe to win one out all the time in defence.


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 3:43 pm 
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Agree Sinbagger must be it because in isolation white doesn't warrant a spot


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 4:31 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Understand white is versatile and as I say tries his guts out - no want of effort but please he is not a tall defender and is not a midfielder either


I think the reason players like White, Jones and Walker are favoured is because they buy into the team defence idea.

They may not be best available individually but team defence will win matches, not relying on Rowe to win one out all the time in defence.

Versatility is the Hawthorn mantra, as are playing team rules and playing the ball and man hard.
White is versatile and hard at it. He can play defence, forward or midfield, though the last is probably not his best. He will probably play forward at some stage and Rowe will spend at least some time down back. A lot depends on whether Gorringe can run out a quarter at a time.
In my opinion, Everitt is the key to this game. If he can run riot outside fifty and then carry the footy insideor go in and take some marks, it will confuse the NM defensive structure.

Walker or White will play the third tall at either end and both can play both ends.

Remember, boys and girls, wins are bonuses here. The coach is in teaching mode and wants the structural things right. For years we have had a game plan that was rigid. This bloke is happy to throw the team around on the park more than many we have had over the past ten years. You need versatility to get away with that. If plan A isn't working, we go to Plan B.

We supporters are the ones looking for wins as the yardstick. What matters to Bolts is how they carry out his plans.

A win would be nice but not critical to the future.

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No1Blue wrote:
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I would not replace Walks though Bondi.



Watched the Port game highlights and "The journey" again last night, and to see the joy on Walker's face with the win, embracing the kids after the win, I'm so happy for him to be experiencing the highs again. His smile was huge and infectious.

I think there is a case to keep Walker in the team in the hope that this current momentum of the team along with continuity of game time may be just the tonic to get him back kicking a few goals.

He has the experience to kick a few each week, as he did when fit last year, and imo, that's his job, other than leadership.

He doesn't look to have found the speed he had a few years back, but he still has the experience and leadership to bring to the table.

Gee I hope he turns it on again whilst the new Carlton is reviving our fortunes and results.


I agree re. Walker. Think he'll get better more games he plays..

The best game he has ever played was perhaps his first game.

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 5:11 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Understand white is versatile and as I say tries his guts out - no want of effort but please he is not a tall defender and is not a midfielder either


I think the reason players like White, Jones and Walker are favoured is because they buy into the team defence idea.

They may not be best available individually but team defence will win matches, not relying on Rowe to win one out all the time in defence.

Versatility is the Hawthorn mantra, as are playing team rules and playing the ball and man hard.
White is versatile and hard at it. He can play defence, forward or midfield, though the last is probably not his best. He will probably play forward at some stage and Rowe will spend at least some time down back. A lot depends on whether Gorringe can run out a quarter at a time.
In my opinion, Everitt is the key to this game. If he can run riot outside fifty and then carry the footy insideor go in and take some marks, it will confuse the NM defensive structure.

Walker or White will play the third tall at either end and both can play both ends.

Remember, boys and girls, wins are bonuses here. The coach is in teaching mode and wants the structural things right. For years we have had a game plan that was rigid. This bloke is happy to throw the team around on the park more than many we have had over the past ten years. You need versatility to get away with that. If plan A isn't working, we go to Plan B.

We supporters are the ones looking for wins as the yardstick. What matters to Bolts is how they carry out his plans.

A win would be nice but not critical to the future.


Great post.

Reality.

The win is the bonus













but we take a top 8 spot if we win

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 5:18 pm 
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Anyone know what time the game finishes?


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 5:27 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Agree Sinbagger must be it because in isolation white doesn't warrant a spot

Could say the same for Gorringe, to be honest Frank.

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 5:30 pm 
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TomAlvin'sWig wrote:
Anyone know what time the game finishes?


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I would say little after 10


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 5:50 pm 
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Jez1966 wrote:
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Anyone know what time the game finishes?


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I would say little after 10


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Blue Sombrero wrote:
No1Blue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
I would not replace Walks though Bondi.



Watched the Port game highlights and "The journey" again last night, and to see the joy on Walker's face with the win, embracing the kids after the win, I'm so happy for him to be experiencing the highs again. His smile was huge and infectious.

I think there is a case to keep Walker in the team in the hope that this current momentum of the team along with continuity of game time may be just the tonic to get him back kicking a few goals.

He has the experience to kick a few each week, as he did when fit last year, and imo, that's his job, other than leadership.

He doesn't look to have found the speed he had a few years back, but he still has the experience and leadership to bring to the table.

Gee I hope he turns it on again whilst the new Carlton is reviving our fortunes and results.


I agree re. Walker. Think he'll get better more games he plays..

The best game he has ever played was perhaps his first game.



Must've played some good ones in 2011 where he kicked 56 goals.


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 7:00 pm 
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There's a rumour around that Waite may not play.


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 7:02 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Understand white is versatile and as I say tries his guts out - no want of effort but please he is not a tall defender and is not a midfielder either


I think the reason players like White, Jones and Walker are favoured is because they buy into the team defence idea.

They may not be best available individually but team defence will win matches, not relying on Rowe to win one out all the time in defence.

Versatility is the Hawthorn mantra, as are playing team rules and playing the ball and man hard.
White is versatile and hard at it. He can play defence, forward or midfield, though the last is probably not his best. He will probably play forward at some stage and Rowe will spend at least some time down back. A lot depends on whether Gorringe can run out a quarter at a time.
In my opinion, Everitt is the key to this game. If he can run riot outside fifty and then carry the footy insideor go in and take some marks, it will confuse the NM defensive structure.

Walker or White will play the third tall at either end and both can play both ends.

Remember, boys and girls, wins are bonuses here. The coach is in teaching mode and wants the structural things right. For years we have had a game plan that was rigid. This bloke is happy to throw the team around on the park more than many we have had over the past ten years. You need versatility to get away with that. If plan A isn't working, we go to Plan B.

We supporters are the ones looking for wins as the yardstick. What matters to Bolts is how they carry out his plans.

A win would be nice but not critical to the future.


Great post.

Reality.

The win is the bonus













but we take a top 8 spot if we win
Yes! We would probably lose it the next week as we play Geelong but then we have Brisbane and St.Kilda. Maybe interesting after 12 rounds.


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 7:09 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
There's a rumour around that Waite may not play.


He's scared

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 8:04 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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sinbagger wrote:
My guess is if Weitering doesn't pass the fitness test tomorrow Wood will come in and Rowe will go to defence.


I reckon that is definitely on the cards.

KJ not even in the squad. He must be in the dog house for some reason. It's not like we're a club spoilt for KP talent in the 21-25 age bracket or that his VFL form has been terrible.


Rogers still needs to be shot for that trade for KJ, Boek and Whiley.


It was pick 7 for Jaksch, Whiley and pick 28ish? Jaksch did give Waite a bath at Spotless the year prior and was a top 10 pick when GWS drafted him.

Boeky has shown form this year, and he's only in his 2nd year after we took him with our first rounder in 2014. Nothing to do with the GWS swap.

Hey, Jaksch may turn out good. I'm glad we're holdinh him back till he performs as expected, and I think he will. He has the physical attributes, just needs to sharen up the mental side of his game.


It was pick 7 for Whiley, Jaksch and 19 which we used on Boekhurst. 28 (Rainbow) was our original second round pick I think. Still time for the trade to work out but if we had our time again...


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 8:18 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
There's a rumour around that Waite may not play.

He knows Weitering will eat him


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 8:20 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
There's a rumour around that Waite may not play.


No kicks in the nuts this week then.

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 9:24 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
There's a rumour around that Waite may not play.


2 to 3 weeks?

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 9:37 am 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
deano35 wrote:
There's a rumour around that Waite may not play.


2 to 3 weeks?


If true and Daw comes in, can I nominate him for the Moran?


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cecil89 wrote:
I really want Jaksch to get a call up. I still think he can justify the trade. He is not a ruckman or relieving ruckman though, which makes it hard to bring him in as a direct replacement for our injured ruckman or relieving ruckman.
He could've come in for Jamison and played in defense, but I've been hoping Jaksch would get settled in one position for a while now, so I'm not sure I would've liked him being thrust into a defensive role in the AFL after predominantly playing forward in the VFL.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2016 12:01 pm 
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There's a rumour around that Waite may not play.

He knows Weitering will eat him

I think that should be on the Dick thread.

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