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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:55 pm 
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Can't see us getting over the top of the pies. It will be a slog and very hard contest but I don't think we've quite their ready.
They blew the bombers away last week , yet we had a hard struggle to get the points home.
Still with some luck and pending on personal should give them a good battle and if we steal it , well that would be great. Go Baggers


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:59 pm 
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Out: Spasboult, Weitering, Graham
In: Boekorst, Walker, Curnow

Cripps needs another week of rest
Weitering needs two minimum


Cripps could have played today but they didn't want to risk it. If he's passed fit he's good to play, don't know why so many here are treating our players like children.

Too many bad memories of sending already hammered kids out to get hammered a bit more.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:18 pm 
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You don't think Casboult is a good ruckman?
He's the same size as Kreuzer and can jump higher.
Do you think Kreuzer's 15 HO's are crucial to our team's fortunes?
OR, do you think Kreuzer will improve or happy with his current output?

I love Kreuzer for his heart and loyalty to the Blues, but I'm looking for reasons to keep him in the team hence why I ask how and why other supporters think he should be in the team.

Kreuzer's bullocking work at the stoppages and his runs were much more controlled in the first half. He ran around a bit more in the second half, but the game had started opening up.

The only place Phillips is truly shading him is elevation at the centre bounces, although right now Phillips is obviously a bit cleaner with the footy in hand, but I see that as a confidence thing. Phillips seems to have a knack for delivering taps to advantage for the opposition, so I'm not sure that really helps us that much.


Bullocking work...what is that? Its not a statistic, not even a 1%er. What is it?
He doesn't touch the ball, runs around chasing butt and ball and from the TV (angle of the camera) it looks like he's running through packs but no one is budged, moved or bullocked?

After 5 rounds:

Centre bounce elevation Philips > Kreuzer
Cleaner with footy in hand Philips > Kreuzer
Confidence Philips > Kreuzer

Ineffective taps...spare me. I saw Kreuzer go up, in his usual avoiding contact mode, get a free tap and does a double hander right down the troat of the Bombers Centre...you don't see that? They are both guilty, and I don't really rate either ruckman TBH. I'm just hoping this glaring gap is filled in the next 2 years coz it is a Huge gap.

What about handball? Kicking? Scoring?

Jones, Casboult, Kreuzer, Philips, White...there's our glaring problem.

I think its time to end the emotional attachment to players who have served this club and start looking at the substance shown today and in the future.

Everyone is hoping Kreuzer makes it. Have been since he did his knee a few years ago. He aint getting younger. How long do we give 'hope'?

Good thing is Jaksch can kick accurately from distance.
Curnow is growing as a footballer
McKay is injured
Korcheck is a punt.

We have a problem with the ruck! Don't believe it? Compare our rucks with the top teams. Now look lower on the ladder at the others.

I don't think we can carry all those average big blokes in the team. We have to play to strengths and we know Casboult can take a pack mark, Philips can kick straight, Kreuzer bullocks, Jones tries hard and White is a filler.

Can someone give me a reason to keep them all, and if Kreuzer is the keeper, other than hope and bullocking what does he bring to the table against Colonwood? They only have one ruck in Grundy who incidently had 21 possesions and 15 HO's against Nic Nat and Lycett...2 of the best.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:22 pm 
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can someone give me a reason to keep them all, and if Kreuzer is the keeper, other than hope and bullocking what does he bring to the table against Colonwood? They only have one ruck in Grundy who incidently had 21 possesions and 15 HO's against Nic Nat and Lycett...2 of the best.



It's either strategy or development or both.

Nobody can now say the decision to play Phillips was a mistake.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:32 pm 
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if we win this week against Colonwood, it will be a huge boost for club, players, coaches and supporters. May even see a spike in memberships.

I know its not about winning flags, but I have a sniff this week and want our best team out there.

I think Bolton will continue to play 2 rucks and I'd put money on it being Kreuzer and Philips, and Casboult will also be in the mix, but I'd prefer an extra runner and Casboult away from the goals.

A few in contention to play this weekend:

Cripps, Curnow, Everitt and hopefully Boekhurst....and if the rucks and Casboult are retained I see the following as the most susceptible to losing their spot:

Weitering injured, Graham, Sumner, Jones or White (despite showing some form)

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:36 pm 
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Bullocking work...what is that? Its not a statistic, not even a 1%er. What is it?

When the block is made to protect the ball carrier it's supposed to count as a 1%er, at least under the definition as of a few years back, but I'm not sure they're actually counted.

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Ineffective taps...spare me. I saw Kreuzer go up, in his usual avoiding contact mode, get a free tap and does a double hander right down the troat of the Bombers Centre...you don't see that? They are both guilty, and I don't really rate either ruckman TBH. I'm just hoping this glaring gap is filled in the next 2 years coz it is a Huge gap.

:lol:

He finished the game with a swollen brow... contact avoiding... :lol:

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What about handball? Kicking? Scoring?

Jones, Casboult, Kreuzer, Philips, White...there's our glaring problem.

I think its time to end the emotional attachment to players who have served this club and start looking at the substance shown today and in the future.

Everyone is hoping Kreuzer makes it. Have been since he did his knee a few years ago. He aint getting younger. How long do we give 'hope'?

It's already well covered what I think of that list. Kreuzer is at the top of it IMO, but he's not far ahead and he's got work to do to restore confidence in his ability to turn a contest. I'm not living on past glories when I talk about him, I still think he does a lot of impressive work out there, and it's why he gets left on the field even when Phillips is taking ruck minutes.

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Good thing is Jaksch can kick accurately from distance.
Curnow is growing as a footballer
McKay is injured
Korcheck is a punt.

We have a problem with the ruck! Don't believe it? Compare our rucks with the top teams. Now look lower on the ladder at the others.

I'm fully aware there is an issue with the ruck divison, one I think we're addressing through senior development now, and will pull the trigger on to rectify for the long term this coming off-season. Look for Levi, Everitt, Rowe, Jones, White, Foster, Jaksch, Wood and Jamison to be in that discussion. I reckon 5 of them will be gone, one way or another.

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if Kreuzer is the keeper, other than hope and bullocking what does he bring to the table against Colonwood? They only have one ruck in Grundy who incidently had 21 possesions and 15 HO's against Nic Nat and Lycett...2 of the best.

They also had Cox as a forward/ruck, who at 211 cms will generally give a contest. He's learning the caper. Grundy's a very good 4-quarter ruck, it's just NicNat is a machine and Lycett is an excellent support ruck.

Also, the Eagles have a stoppage system where those guys are actually getting the clearance from their hitouts. Yes, NicNat's a freak, but why aren't we using Phillips to do that at centre bounces, and why isn't Kreuzer being allowed to do that at around-the-ground stoppages, where he positions himself to win the tap outright.

They can always collapse back in on the fall of the ball if the tap isn't won.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:39 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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can someone give me a reason to keep them all, and if Kreuzer is the keeper, other than hope and bullocking what does he bring to the table against Colonwood? They only have one ruck in Grundy who incidently had 21 possesions and 15 HO's against Nic Nat and Lycett...2 of the best.



It's either strategy or development or both.

Nobody can now say the decision to play Phillips was a mistake.

Hello, hi, I did.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:47 pm 
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Not sure where the barbs for Graham comes from.

Yes he is not quick, but he has the potential to be one of those link players in close and is an ideal partner for Cripps, who is a beast at getting the ball and getting his hands free.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 2:33 pm 
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Will help our chances of kicking a winning score if Everritt, Walker and Cripps can all come back into the side.
I'd even take a punt on KJ. Cant be any worse than Jones or Levi.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 2:49 pm 
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chelodina wrote:
Not sure where the barbs for Graham comes from.

Yes he is not quick, but he has the potential to be one of those link players in close and is an ideal partner for Cripps, who is a beast at getting the ball and getting his hands free.


Graham isn't AFL finals material IMO. In today's footy, you have to be either an A grader, or a solid foot soldier. He's neither. I think kids like Cunningham and Curnow will take his place.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 3:00 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
chelodina wrote:
Not sure where the barbs for Graham comes from.

Yes he is not quick, but he has the potential to be one of those link players in close and is an ideal partner for Cripps, who is a beast at getting the ball and getting his hands free.


Graham isn't AFL finals material IMO. In today's footy, you have to be either an A grader, or a solid foot soldier. He's neither. I think kids like Cunningham and Curnow will take his place.

Probably right, but Curnow and Cuningham aren't ready to replace him yet, and I'd prefer Graham playing than Tutt or White in the midfield.
Graham is a handy player to have at the moment and certainly has a role to play over the course of this season and probably a few more after that too.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 4:15 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Will help our chances of kicking a winning score if Everritt, Walker and Cripps can all come back into the side.
I'd even take a punt on KJ. Cant be any worse than Jones or Levi.

But only one adds to the team defence ethos that has been established.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 8:19 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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Casboult to play between arcs for his superb marking ability. Get his confidence back.
Daisy..working beautifully as predicted. Ditto Phillips.
Oh ye of little faith!! :lol:


I think Casboult between the arcs for obvious reasons is worth trying.
Its his marking we value not his kicking for goal, so get him out of the forwardline.
That makes him a ruckman.

Question is, is that 1st ruck or 2nd ruck?

OR, do you want him as the CHF between the arcs and retaining Kreuzer/Philips as the ruckmen?
That leaves only Philips who can take a mark forward and kick a goal.
So Kreuzer and Casboult between the arcs? IMO that's a bit top heavy.

One of Kreuzer, Philips and Casboult has to go.


Casboult's being playing alot between the arcs the last two weeks. We've done well, he's done pretty well, hasn't affected anything. One of the rucks is deeper forward. Can't have Jones as our only key forward.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 8:26 pm 
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Will help our chances of kicking a winning score if Everritt, Walker and Cripps can all come back into the side.
I'd even take a punt on KJ. Cant be any worse than Jones or Levi.


Reckon Jaksch will come in but replace Weitering in defence. Not sure I want to to play some poor young up and comer on our forward line yet and crucify him. Would be the same with McKay if he was available. Let them play forward when we can move the ball into our forward 50 quickly and efficiently. Until then let blokes like Casboult, who playing alright between the arcs, and Jones, who both aren't so much our future, put up with the crap in put forward line for now.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 9:10 pm 
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I reckon we'll win by 12 points

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That's a lot of talls


that avatar is hilarious!! :grin: :lol:
(it's ok..daisy can play short..and casboult often does. :razz: :razz: )

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:06 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Most likely wont win, but will be a pisser if we do.
Reckon the Filth fans will fully turn on Bucks then.



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jim wrote:
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Will help our chances of kicking a winning score if Everritt, Walker and Cripps can all come back into the side.
I'd even take a punt on KJ. Cant be any worse than Jones or Levi.


Reckon Jaksch will come in but replace Weitering in defence. Not sure I want to to play some poor young up and comer on our forward line yet and crucify him. Would be the same with McKay if he was available. Let them play forward when we can move the ball into our forward 50 quickly and efficiently. Until then let blokes like Casboult, who playing alright between the arcs, and Jones, who both aren't so much our future, put up with the crap in put forward line for now.


I think Jaksch will come in but play forward and White will be sent back. Obviously different role for KJ compared to what White had on Sunday


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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 9:05 am 
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Pies playung decent footy now.

3 weeks ago we would have won, now we're not much of a chance.


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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 9:18 am 
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Pies conceded 8 goals to 1 in the last quarter V WCE and pies had at least a 2 goal breeze.
Their second half v Essendon* was meh too


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