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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:40 pm 
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I thought we had gone past Simon White just shows how little depth we have

Oh well if we have white and Rowe making dumb decisions in our back line club must be already tanking to get the first pick after 4 rounds :lol:



You would go past Rowe first before you go past White.


I'm very surprised as to why Rowe is in ahead of Jaksch.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:52 pm 
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I reckon it will end up being Jones in for Kreuzer out (inj) or (rested). White will make the trip to WA as the emergency as he played well last week so needs to be rewarded but also won't matter if he misses a week's game (like Jamison last week). Jamison will play with Northern this week otherwise he would miss playing two weeks in a row.

This gives us a more mobile fwd line so we can create more pressure on the opposition defenders and I have a hunch Phillips will adapt well to being the only ruck with some chop out from Casboult (which will also help Casboult).

Overall a more balanced team.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:55 pm 
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jim wrote:
chelodina wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
I thought we had gone past Simon White just shows how little depth we have

Oh well if we have white and Rowe making dumb decisions in our back line club must be already tanking to get the first pick after 4 rounds :lol:



You would go past Rowe first before you go past White.


I'm very surprised as to why Rowe is in ahead of Jaksch.


Maybe they want Jaksch to show some more consistent form before he gets promoted, also perhaps they want him to be a fwd and not a defender so Rowe and Jamison will play second tall defender to Jacob for the rest of the season or until our other young defenders show some form.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:27 pm 
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I'm glad to see a genuine tall forward in. Out the hard yards in Liam, the spot is there for the taking.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:33 pm 
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I'm guessing White will play. He'll sit on Fyfe or Mayne


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:01 pm 
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I hope we drop the idea of playing both Kruezer and Phillips and expecting them to have an impact up forward.

Kreuzer can not ruck all game with his foot

May need to use his hands for some of the ball ups.


Well I laughed anyway.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:52 pm 
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I'm guessing White will play. He'll sit on Fyfe or Mayne

You're asking for it after the comments about Kreuzer and his foot :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:30 am 
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A lot of edgy Freo supporters over here. Confidence isn't high. If we get on top early, the crowd will be dead.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:49 am 
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Look I get that we're a decent chance to go taller here, but does anyone else find it odd that we didn't even consider another small player?.


yep, i do. dvr could have come in for pace. maybe it is freo's big bodies that bolts is worried about. i would send white to fyfe and have him blanket him.

i dont mind white in the team for versatility, but jamo and rowe together gives me nightmares

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:07 am 
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I think if winning this game was the most important thing the club was concerned with then the team would look (and possibly play) differently.

Development, list assessment and adherence to the game plan are probably more important.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:20 am 
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Some are saying Jones for Graham, with Graham as the travelling emergency. If White were to come in, you'd think it would be at the expense of Kreuzer.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:44 am 
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Team defence is the reason for lower scores against this year, not the form of Jamison and Rowe, individually or combined.

In fact those 2 defenders have made some horrid mistakes (or in Jammos case, lazy efforts) which have cost us goals from opposition.

Also hope Tuohy (if selected) makes less mistakes too. His high number of turnovers isn't because he gets the ball more than others, its because he gets caught too often when he has the ball.

Less leaks in defense can happen with more wins in the midfield, hence why another small to help mids would be beneficial against Freo at Subi.

On the other side of the field, the forwardline, we need a big fella to kick straight. Jones does this. We don't know if he can get the ball in the next level as he has in the twos. Only one way to find out.

Casboult at CHF is a good idea and Philips can share the ruck load with Casboult and Rowe to mix it up a bit.

The more run from defence and midfield the more opportunities for scores.

Come on Bluebaggers...you can win this. Follow the example of hardness at the ball and the opponent and we can do this...Gibbsy.

I'm starting to feel a tad confident today...but surely Freo will treat this as a home final as they can't afford to lose this.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:45 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Some are saying Jones for Graham, with Graham as the travelling emergency. If White were to come in, you'd think it would be at the expense of Kreuzer.



Kreuzer imo is a liability at Subi.

For those who consider him a mobile ruckman, I would agree when he was young and fit, but not these days. He cant jump! He cant pick up a ball off the ground. He's injured imo.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:47 am 
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cimm1979 wrote:
I think if winning this game was the most important thing the club was concerned with then the team would look (and possibly play) differently.

Development, list assessment and adherence to the game plan are probably more important.



And from watching the 4 games we've played thus far in season 2016 during the week, I'd have to agree. This has been the most heatening thing from the season. Reminds me of Hawks 2007 without Buddy and Roughy, Lewis and Mitchell.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:44 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Some are saying Jones for Graham, with Graham as the travelling emergency. If White were to come in, you'd think it would be at the expense of Kreuzer.



Kreuzer imo is a liability at Subi.

For those who consider him a mobile ruckman, I would agree when he was young and fit, but not these days. He cant jump! He cant pick up a ball off the ground. He's injured imo.

I agree that he has never had the greatest leap, but if we're going to play the percentages, that's only going to hurt him at the centre bounce contests.

Right now, we're +17 per game for hitouts against our opponents, but -7 for clearances. The only other team I can see with such a disparity is the Dogs, who are -8.5 and +9 respectively.

Worse still, this is the top 5 for average hitout difference:

1. West Coast - +28.5
2. Carlton - +17.2
3. Melbourne - +12
4. North Melbourne - +2.8

To be fair though, we have played 3 teams that are in the bottom 5 for this stat, but in every match so far, Kreuzer has had the most hitouts of any ruck on the ground.

I'd question the stoppage structure before I'd question Kreuzer, and I'd suggest that Phillips' deft tapouts to space but not to our advantage would suggest the same thing. Removing one ruck is fine, and hopefully Kreuzer bounces back because I believe him to be the better short, medium and long-term choice, but that problem needs to be addressed, and the smartest way would be by adding a new dimension to our stoppage play.

IMO, that should be speed in traffic, which is why I'm confused as to why Cuningham and Buckley haven't been brought into the stoppage mix. A smarter blocking setup would also help a great deal because the better opposition teams will try to create a mismatch in this area at stoppages to release someone to the outside of the bubble easily.

BV might laugh at my notions on the matter, but Sydney kick goal after goal by manipulating stoppage setups.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:17 pm 
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why the club always think white can go with good players like fyfe or mayne - laughable - is Mick still in charge - white rowe are not AFL standard footballers- wouldn't get a game at any of the other clubs - try someone else PLEASE :banghead:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:31 pm 
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and whilst Im on a rant why lose by 5 goals with white and rowe when you may lose by 7 goals but blood or develop a couple of debutants or players who will most probably be better than them in the future


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:11 pm 
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We paid a reasonable sum to recruit KJ.
I'm sure the MC would like to pick him if they felt that they could.

Until then, Simon White will keep racking up games.

Good luck to him I hope he gets a game at home.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:41 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Some are saying Jones for Graham, with Graham as the travelling emergency. If White were to come in, you'd think it would be at the expense of Kreuzer.



Kreuzer imo is a liability at Subi.

For those who consider him a mobile ruckman, I would agree when he was young and fit, but not these days. He cant jump! He cant pick up a ball off the ground. He's injured imo.

I agree that he has never had the greatest leap, but if we're going to play the percentages, that's only going to hurt him at the centre bounce contests.

Right now, we're +17 per game for hitouts against our opponents, but -7 for clearances. The only other team I can see with such a disparity is the Dogs, who are -8.5 and +9 respectively.

Worse still, this is the top 5 for average hitout difference:

1. West Coast - +28.5
2. Carlton - +17.2
3. Melbourne - +12
4. North Melbourne - +2.8

To be fair though, we have played 3 teams that are in the bottom 5 for this stat, but in every match so far, Kreuzer has had the most hitouts of any ruck on the ground.

I'd question the stoppage structure before I'd question Kreuzer, and I'd suggest that Phillips' deft tapouts to space but not to our advantage would suggest the same thing. Removing one ruck is fine, and hopefully Kreuzer bounces back because I believe him to be the better short, medium and long-term choice, but that problem needs to be addressed, and the smartest way would be by adding a new dimension to our stoppage play.

IMO, that should be speed in traffic, which is why I'm confused as to why Cuningham and Buckley haven't been brought into the stoppage mix. A smarter blocking setup would also help a great deal because the better opposition teams will try to create a mismatch in this area at stoppages to release someone to the outside of the bubble easily.

BV might laugh at my notions on the matter, but Sydney kick goal after goal by manipulating stoppage setups.


Taps that go nowhere....regardless of stoppage set up....and I bet there is a set up.
I've seen him win the ruck against Hampson, Martin and Jong. Sinclair gave him a footy lesson let alone beat him the ruck (regardless of what the stats said) in the Swans game.

He runs around chasing butt but doesn't get it himself.
He doesn't mark MOST that hit his hands/palms.
He doesn't clunk them. Something missing with his timing and he cant jump.
Overrated.

Philips imo has more upside in the medium and long term unless Kreuzer can get back to the form he showed in the NAB 1 game against the Hawks.
Something is not right with him, and maybe the Collingwood summation was right.
If Kreuzer was going to be a hit, surely we would have offered him more than a 2 year contract.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:55 pm 
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Sinclair had 6 hitouts that game; he was fresh legs to exploit Kreuzer.

And well pointed out re: Hampson, he did actually concede to him in that game, but he had years perfecting how to leap over Matty.

Not sure what you mean about Martin and Jong? You mean a third man drifting in over the top for a couple of hitouts?? I'm sorry bondi, I'm not reading it quite the way you are, and your post reads like hyperbole. He's not in his best form, but after watching the second half of last year I don't think for a second that his body is shot, just a slightly higher risk. He's not the only player in our squad who looks short of a gallop... are they all crocked?

Might want to turn an eye to our Sprint Coach turned Head of Fitness and whoever else is in charge of recovery and training management before big Matty K. Seems like we haven't improved in that area as much as we'd hoped.

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