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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:34 pm 
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must be for us because he would average at least 3 for the opposition

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Murph has taken some huge hits over the years. Cash would surely be the only reason he is playing. Can't be enjoyable.

Are U saying no care factor by the captain ,outside of money?


No. I am saying he has copped a beating. Can't be fun. The only reason i would be doing it would be for the cash.


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AFLCA Votes

CARLTON v WESTERN BULLDOGS
8 Shane Biggs (WB)
7 Lachie Hunter (WB)
7 Matt Suckling (WB)
4 Koby Stevens (WB)
2 Dale Morris (WB)
1 Sam Docherty (Carl)
1 Jordan Roughead (WB)

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:23 pm 
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Gee, that's a bit tough.

Thought Doc was immense considering the pressure he was under.

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They are very efficient.......


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:04 pm 
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A lot of unanswered questions after a second half like we had.

Did the dogs switch off after mauling us in the first half? Are they missing Murphy more than we realised? Has Bolton's game plan clicked with the players or was it a false dawn?

We'll find out in the next three weeks with some winnable games.

I thought our defensive set up and pressure was excellent in the second half. Our offensive running was good. Mis-kicks, long bombs and dropped marks still hold us back a lot.

Could see a lot of players trying to spread off or present to the 45 degree angles for the short kicks like the Hawks and Eagles do so well but it often was too many of them going to the same spot or the wrong players leading up the ground, it needs to be the players spreading from the area of the ball carrier. All part of learning a new and modern system.

Really liked C Curnow, Plowman and Sumner. Promising signs there and glad to see Dale Thomas getting back into form. Still not a fan of the two rucks. Bring Jones or Jaksch in or try Rowe up there and let Casboult do the second ruckng.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:21 pm 
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The defence dropped their heads in the second quarter, particularly Rowe.

The midfield responded really well by dropping back to support after it was clear they were getting smashed at the clearances, but Rowe wilted in every way imaginable.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:55 am 
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jimmae wrote:
The defence dropped their heads in the second quarter, particularly Rowe.

The midfield responded really well by dropping back to support after it was clear they were getting smashed at the clearances, but Rowe wilted in every way imaginable.

Last year we were pretty good at centre clearances and general clearances.
That's one area we have gone backwards.
Cripps is getting a lot of attention and no Judd or Bell.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:18 am 
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We're just not collapsing the contest and playing the brand of smashball like we did last year, and what's more most teams wouldn't let us do it if we wanted to.

Barker's the guy dropping in NFL style set plays isn't he? Maybe he can look up some footage of how a line of scrimmage looks on an outside run and apply the offensive and defensive nature of that to our stoppage play instead of whatever he's doing right now. Maybe a zone blocking scheme while he's at it.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:40 am 
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jimmae wrote:
We're just not collapsing the contest and playing the brand of smashball like we did last year, and what's more most teams wouldn't let us do it if we wanted to.

Barker's the guy dropping in NFL style set plays isn't he? Maybe he can look up some footage of how a line of scrimmage looks on an outside run and apply the offensive and defensive nature of that to our stoppage play instead of whatever he's doing right now. Maybe a zone blocking scheme while he's at it.



What the @#$%&! are you smoking Jim? :lol:
"collapsing the contest", "zone blocking schemes". You're trying to make a reasonably simple game sound far more complicated than it is. i'm not sure you understand half the stuff you come up with yourself.

Blue Sombrero is correct. We are being beaten around the stoppages. Unless Cripps wins the ball, we have nothing else.
Murphy appears to be carrying injury so he's spending little time in the centre square. We need someone else to stand up and win some centre clearances or we're too easy to play against.
Until we can win more set play footy, we'll be playing catch up.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:19 am 
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That's exactly what I said, I just offered a starting point for this discussion that I'd reckon Barker would be looking at.

There's no better sport to look at for stoppage blocks and spread than the NFL.

You might struggle with the terminology, but here's a good starter video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBqXxTwVQYg

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:04 pm 
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Thats the most irrelevant load of shit I'd wasted 2 minutes on Jim.
We aren't winning the clearances. We're not sharing the load.
You're talking about "collapsing the contest" and "smash ball". No relevance to AFL centre bounce clearances whatsoever.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:46 pm 
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Maybe we were all a bit harsh on old Pages. Sounds like he was years ahead of his time - he had us training with smash-ball back in 2003.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:17 pm 
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Thats the most irrelevant load of shit I'd wasted 2 minutes on Jim.
We aren't winning the clearances. We're not sharing the load.
You're talking about "collapsing the contest" and "smash ball". No relevance to AFL centre bounce clearances whatsoever.

:lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:20 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
jimmae wrote:
The defence dropped their heads in the second quarter, particularly Rowe.

The midfield responded really well by dropping back to support after it was clear they were getting smashed at the clearances, but Rowe wilted in every way imaginable.

Last year we were pretty good at centre clearances and general clearances.
That's one area we have gone backwards.
Cripps is getting a lot of attention and no Judd or Bell.


Agree, however Bell wasn't a big clearance winner. Not even Top 10 at Carlton in 2015 on average.

Judd and Carrots who were #2 and #3 last year the big difference, as well as Gibbs and Murphy numbers being well down.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:41 pm 
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It's pretty simple Cripps is being sat on and smashed.

He's getting scant support from our current threadbare midfield division.

If he's expected to carry it on his own for the next 3 years whilst we draft his supporting crew, he will be cooked and finished.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:16 pm 
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Sin City wrote:
A lot of unanswered questions after a second half like we had.

Did the dogs switch off after mauling us in the first half? Are they missing Murphy more than we realised? Has Bolton's game plan clicked with the players or was it a false dawn?

We'll find out in the next three weeks with some winnable games.

I thought our defensive set up and pressure was excellent in the second half. Our offensive running was good. Mis-kicks, long bombs and dropped marks still hold us back a lot.

Could see a lot of players trying to spread off or present to the 45 degree angles for the short kicks like the Hawks and Eagles do so well but it often was too many of them going to the same spot or the wrong players leading up the ground, it needs to be the players spreading from the area of the ball carrier. All part of learning a new and modern system.

Really liked C Curnow, Plowman and Sumner. Promising signs there and glad to see Dale Thomas getting back into form. Still not a fan of the two rucks. Bring Jones or Jaksch in or try Rowe up there and let Casboult do the second ruckng.


Back from holidays. Just watched the game (twice).

The injuries clearly slowed down the Doggies.
The umpires obviously were told at half time, the Blues didn't receive a free for 53 times and gave the game to the Doggies.ie the umpires let the game flow...taking away any help Doggies received in first half.

I thought we applied pressure for almost 4 quarters. Its just the disposal, by everyone, is below par.


I read the Tc match day and post mortem....geez some posters are full of shit.
Sure his kicking needs improvement but he got crucified by the umpires and really put in...some hard tackles, bumps, smashes and handballs.
Kreuzers miss at goal wasn't OOF!!! Sadly he's lumbering and sloppy at times. Needs to find a bit of mongrel coz he's being shat on by umps. He has to go harder for the ball, and stop trying to pick the ball off the floor two hands coz he cant. One handed pick ups off the floor are easier...ditto Phillips.

Charlie Curnow was hot!
Thomas tried all day...but his disposal is average.
Docherty was good too.

Gibbs is a passenger. Sad to agree with others on that.
Rowe tries really hard, and I don't think he dropped his head. He's just unco at times. Clumsy most.
I thought Buckley was good but could have chased harder to close down space; that's his job. Plus that dropped mark in the last...no excuse.

I don't think Cripps was smashed. He got the nut a fair bit. 4 rounds of footy and an average ay with the bounce of the ball, and NO help from umps make his day average.
Kerridge was OK...but plays a negative brand of footy at times...should be pinned holding the ball more than he does.

So glad Jammo didn't play. Watched the GCS game again last night and thought he was hopeless. Again, in that game, I thought we tried almost 4 quarters and a bit of lucl and a lack of polish saw us off the pace in the end.

I think its coming together.
Would like to see the players fitter.
Players should take pride and more care with their disposal. My kids would get hammered by me if they handballed and kicked like our players do...all of them. Got to hit targets. No excuse.

Doggies didn't kill us in the middle as some suggested. We are expecting Cripps to win and feed ball out on his own. Need more class in there. Gibbs should be in there leading the team. Murphy isn't 100% right and hasn't been all year, hence him playing off the wing.

I'm not happy to lose the game, but happy to lose Malthouse Buttifant Yarran and Hendo and watch the p[layers play like they care with a good defensive plan. We just lack a bit of class. We will get there!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:19 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
It's pretty simple Cripps is being sat on and smashed.

He's getting scant support from our current threadbare midfield division.

If he's expected to carry it on his own for the next 3 years whilst we draft his supporting crew, he will be cooked and finished.


Don't agree.

Cripps is a big boy and likes the rough and tumble.
He didn't play that well imo. Umps didn't help him.

He will be around in 3 years time along with the support.

No need to hide Cripps, he'll get better and better.

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Cripps is getting smashballed

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bondiblue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
It's pretty simple Cripps is being sat on and smashed.

He's getting scant support from our current threadbare midfield division.

If he's expected to carry it on his own for the next 3 years whilst we draft his supporting crew, he will be cooked and finished.


Don't agree.

Cripps is a big boy and likes the rough and tumble.
He didn't play that well imo. Umps didn't help him.

He will be around in 3 years time along with the support.

No need to hide Cripps, he'll get better and better.



Sorry Bondi, you've missed the point.

Never said that Cripps didn't like the rough and tumble.

However he hasn't played as well with all the extra attention he's had this season so far.

We don't need to hide Cripps - however he does need support but if he has to carry the mid-field for the next 3 years without any support he is going to be flowered.

We need to nail every mid-field pick for the next 3 years to give him the support he needs (and not everyone of them will be stars in their second year :wink: ).

Our track record in drafting mid-fielders let alone picking good ones is extremely poor.

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