This club is at that point in history that it has lost the connection to success.
The link between who we are now and success has been cut.
It's been cut quite a while ago but we're so far down the road from it that as a whole nobody understands success
The players don't understand success. The board don't understand success and the supporters do not understand success.
Here we have people unable to ask when the sixty six games begins and ends . or what happens when we reach the unicorn sixty six games
Will that mean the eight.. Will it mean no drubbings .. What's it going to actually crystallize into? Just sixty six games! So accept that like a zombie and repeat were sixty six games away and in our rebuild.
The rebuild waiting for our recruiting manager after two years without a recruiting manager.
If you think sos is recruiting manager he isn't! He's the list manager!
There's a massive conflict if you're both recruiting manager and list manager.. Yet don't worry! Everything will be fine!

Dane I'm a massive hawthorn supporter now. I put my hawthorn jumper on and go to every game. I'm loving football again! Cyril is special and Hodgy is such a man!
We have close to a hundred thousand members. Used to have nobody.I don't care about umpiring decisions! Four in a row! Yes four!
How about you?
Once were warriors! And now?

The reality of where Carlton is right now is urgent.
It's desperate!
And it cannot be camouflaged by propaganda and Goebbelsque Dane snipes lol

We are where we are not because of bad luck or because the afl punished us over a decade ago but because our decision makers have made poor choice after poor choice for over two decades! I don't know what you understand about compound interest but this is exactly how it works. Laid bare for all to see!
Carlton is a club that's had it's history hollowed out.
The club is existing from hand to mouth terrified that the AFL might move in.
Our biggest problem right now is not the fact we can't conjure up a competitive list it's we are totally skint!

The answer for these decision makers.. The same decision makers that brought us right here to this place is

" when we win again everybody will be back.. Nobody likes losers" they freely admit we're losers! But it's not their fault! No it's pagans rattens Malthouse ( ratten the odd man there never won a flag anywhere in top tier) it's swanns fault even though they rolled his contact over three times) it's Hughes and Rogers fault)
All these people who have failed and been replaced by others who have failed and will be replaced have one thing in common.. They have been given their positions by the decision makers and custodians of the club!
The board!
The same board that keeps telling you.. " it's OK this time.. We've made changes.. You'll see! "
You're a fool if you think Bolton can survive this environment.. These are the sporting 'killing fields'!
There will be no meaningful success just more false dawns! There will be no coming back!

The longer this continues the further behind were going to be! It's logical!

Dane I'll call you out now! Where will we definitely be after 66 games and when do those 66 games begin

Were actually on the one year anniversary of that statement are we at 22 games or 2 games in after the first anniversary?
And where will we be after 66?
Over to those that are interested in contributing to the definitive and not the ambiguous haze we dwell within.

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Wow ..... This is rubbish. No ratten as a coach fan, but Malthouse burned us.

Turning players over is fine, but he poured petrol and lit the match.

Betts, garlett, waite, Laidler, robinson, all gone for pretty much zip.

Burned

You realize there's a board a ceo and a football manager just in case you have a coach gone rogue !

Just more loser mentality head in and stuff .. Which gets back to what I was saying that the club totally has a disconnect from what is expected for success from the president down to supporters.
You just proved my point.
This club has no clue.
Waite Eddie etc are playing the best football of their careers

How old is waite now? 33/34? No complaining about his injuries etc.
Relishing playing for north! He's looking fantastic!
Eddie? He's killing it! Absolutely killing it across there!
Our two must consistent players after two games come from Adelaide!
Must be the water over there!

The club is toxic from top to bottom!

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Yes and Silvagni came in and got value for our trades last year.. So at least that has changed.

The board has changed significantly since you initially spruiked this, the CEO is different. You have nothing left. Yesterday's keyboard hero.

He also recruited the guys that he re recruited from gws because they were not needed

We don't know how well we have recruited for four years.
Veitering no brainer I'm a Charlie fan
But the truth is we have no clue...

They have to survive in our system

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My god, you expect every trade and draft pick to be gold.

Fact is Silvagni did what know other list manager has done in the modern era at our club, we did not go for the fast fix high profile coach... Again largely unheard of at Carlton- if you can't see this as a regime shift going forward then you truly have no idea. They wont get things right all the time but it is about two steps forward, one step back. No other way at this stage.

Same mindset as Melbourne FC.
Senior players run around all preseason talking about consistent effort and pressure blah blah blah.... but subconsciously aren't up to it... mentally defeated after years of losing.
Sadly the same players remain on the list due to varying reasons other than performance eg. membership, PR etc...

synbad has a point

we have same the board of 8 excluding 1 Jenkins that got us into this mess

the same board of which none were directly elected onto the Board by its members in the first instance - but by invitation only by a predecessor board member

if predecessor directors invite their mates on the board, how do we get the best board to steer the ship out of this run aground ship?

You're missing the point
I'm not putting all my hopes in the Messiah complex that at the moment is sos

That's one of the reasons were here at this place at this time in history

You seen to not have learnt just as the board hadn't

We keep ushering individual messiahs in and out

The penny hasn't dropped has it?

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We have lost a lot of ground up until this moment and if it takes another 3 to 5 years to rebuild the list, then your looking at a quarter of a century of losses. The winning culture has gone! The arrogance and sussessful mindset has gone! These are what makes successful teams and as I've said before you cannot just turn them on and off as you feel.

The best way to illustrate the statement is to talk to your kids and see how they perceive our footy club!

yes. any person who is 20 years or younger see Carlton as losers

I wonder what Richmond supporters think of their club, all 70k + of them.

Carlton supporters are a very unique breed...

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

See this is where I disagree - Richmond have played in 3 elimination finals and lost all 3. There is a reason why and why they will not be successful!!! I don't want my club to be like Richmond or StKilda or .... who are happy to not succeed. Making finals is irrelevant if you don't win premierships.

Ratten kept insisting on the wrong kinds of footballers to execute said game plan, which was over simplified and lacked defensive spine in its planning. It's was Parkin Mk II, and it looked outdated against the top sides.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

The tigers supporters will drop off again when reality bites
One thing is for sure they're still a better run club than we are.
As are the dogs

Were truly the worst of the worst
We started off as the best and put the icon through the mincer.

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Synbad's right, it's the messiah complex all over again, Bolton won't save the club, neither will SOS, neither will Triggs. They may be the right people for their jobs but they are surrounded by a dysfunctional club.

It's not doomsday talk, we have been crap for 15 years, it's now embedded rusted on failure. The core of the club from the board down needs to change, and even then it will take years to become successful because you don't just need a strong club, you need a bit of luck too.

Yes Bolton will make some small change, a marginal improvement, but it will only get so far, he's not the messiah.

Only people talking about messiahs are the doomsayers themselves

Get off the Magic mushies man

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

Hence the restructuring that's been happening...

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I bet Bolton does succeed because this is a rebuild! a real one.
He will get us to the Top 4. That's our target. It should take more than 66 games to get the list up and competitive though.
We should not have lost Waite Betts Yarran, Garlett and Henderson. They would have been helpful in this rebuild. Forwards who kick goals, but they are gone now, so it gets tougher to become a top 4 team.

WE will add 3 good ones each year to the likes of Weitering Byrne Cripps Docherty Boekhurst Curnow Plowman Jaksch and McKay over the next 3 years (9 good players) which will give us a core group of 18 players to compete for top 4 in about 5 years. From there we will need to attract a couple of star FA's and a couple of smart trades to top up the core group...and who knows maybe Cuningham Sumner Wright Glass SOJ Buckley and Graham may all come good: they're still young.

I just cant see Simpson Walker Jamison Rowe Casboult and Everitt with us in 3 years, and I think our No1's Kreuzer Gibbs and Murphy let alone Thomas will not improve, but they may be handy and I don't think Phillips and Gorringe are going to make it.

Its a hard road back, but Bolton seems clear and committed to his plan for success, so is SOS despite the board's failures.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Henderson was never a good forward Bondi.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.