In the defence of our backline and forwards, we had Watson, Walker and Everitt as targets for long kicks. Doesn't inspire confidence. Walker and Everitt are flankers.

The Thomas of 4/5 years ago was elite. What we have is a 28yo injury prone player on a huge contract, who is yet to deliver in any way on our investment in him.

I picked a good game to see live last week and an even better game to not see a single second of this week.

I'm on a roll baby!

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Best 22 in our current list doesn't mean much. Best 22 in 3-4 years for Thomas? I have trouble seeing it

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How many times did we win the ball, just to look up and have no one further up. Stop and kick backwards or sideways or kick long to opposition. Turned over and paid full price the other way!

Needs to be fixed ASAP.

I said he was having a stinker early in the third. His handpassing was off and wasnt releasing players as well as normal. Thought he was over complicating things at times and a number of his touches amounted to nothing. Missed an easy goal. His pass/goal assist at the first was great but overall i thought he wasnt up to his usual standard. Stinker probably a bit harsh but i was typing on the run and his third quarter was terrible. As usual he played a very good last quarter and was our best on a bad day by a long way.

Gun young player.

It has SFA to do with his Pies days, it's just unreasonable to think that given our vanilla "depthless" list, that Daisy isn't in our best 22.

Sure, we could have done better for circa $625k p.a., but too many posters let that cloud their judgment with this guy.

You understand how a match committee at a football club works, yes?

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there's no use getting upset or questioning anything over the last month or so, the game and the players are on holidays
the importance comes after seasons end
trades, draft, new coach, education, new game and commitment

It's a bad contract for the club, but the contract has nothing to do with his ability.

He has either been injured or restricted by injury/coming back from long-term injury throughout his entire time with the club so far.

The suggestion that an uninjured Thomas is not in Carlton's best 22 is absurd.

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when he can play good consistent footy for us then I will admit he's in our best 22 but until then he is taking up a spot from developing someone for the future and a huge chunk of retaining or building a great list

Yet another record-breaking loss...and you can hear crickets at the AFL head office.

Not our concern says the AFL...now imagine if that same club that is receiving the hidings was Brisbane, North Melbourne or Port Adelaide. Heaven forbid.
I am thinking the AFL's response in "assistance" would be marginally (eh-hem) different.


I can't wait to see what package the AFL has to put together at the end of this year to "rescue" Brisbane.

Forget the AFL, it's not their problem, Carlton got themselves into this mess, they can get themselves out of it the right way.

It's people with a negative mindset who Paul Roos slammed at Melbourne. This website is the same at times.

Tell me. How are Carltons problems going to be solved by going to the AFL for a rescue package?

Well I would start with the AFL paying off Carlton's debt. Did the AFL just get a 2.5 billion tv deal? I wonder where they will put that money...you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be to assisting Carlton.

Why WAS North Melbourne's 6 million dollar debt (now paid off by the AFL with special dividends) a priority for the AFL and yet Carlton's six million debt is irrelevant.

I will tell you why...because Carlton is seen as being " a rich club".. yet.that was 30 years ago. Carlton needs assistance- financial, moral, intellectual, physical etc - from the AFL...and for the AFL to stop treating them as " a rich club".

Another example was the membership drive at the beginning of this year. Carlton didn't have enough money to man the phones...now whose fault is that you are saying? Carlton's obviously I hear you saying. How many memberships did Carlton miss out on?

Yet just imagine without a six million dollar debt somehow Carlton would have found the funds to man the phones.

These are just examples. Recruiting... how many scouts do Carlton have compared to Hawthorn I wonder?
Which club is the richer again...i forgot.

You're still missing the point. Carlton created all of those issues.

You get to where Geelong, Hawthorn and Collingwood are through good Management, not handouts.

Our club has openly stated that debt was manageable with the pokies coming on board. That was the money tree remember? Hasn't worked out so well has it.

Or what about coach payouts? Another couple of million wasted thanks to poor management by Swan and co.

Understand the problems first and establish a plan to reduce debt and run the club more efficiently.

In other words learn to walk before we run! The club is now starting the crawl leading up to the walk mind you, because finally we have some executives who see what needs to be done.

I would also add Ciaran Sheehan to the list below as well. In terms of effort and commitment he would leave Yarran a distant third to daylight.

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Carlton has made a lot of errors. I get your point. Recruiting, for example, has been a cluster of insane mismanagement.
However, people seem to believe the ONLY reason why a club is rubbish or good is all due to recruiting.
I disagree with this viewpoint.

Collingwood - why did they win the 2010 premiership? 1) they are rich 2) the AFL was not willing to limit their power 3) priority picks. All of these factors come into play.

Hawthorn - why did this team win numerous premierships? a combination of factors INCLUDING the AFL assistance. To ignore AFL assistance is impossible. Hawthorn would not have won all those premierships without AFL assistance.

Geelong - a well run club...their selections in the 1999 draft were insanely good..but yes even they picked the eyes out of the father-son loophole. This is an AFL loophole. Would they have won all those premierships lets say if the AFL had the present rule on father-sons that they have instead of the one which enabled them to pick up Steve Johnson (pick 24), Bartell (pick and Gary Ablett Jnr (father-son) in the 30s/40s in the draft?

Imagine if they had had to choose between those players instead of getting them both.


Plus Scarlett, plus Blake plus Hawkins etc. under father-son in the 30s and 40s in the draft.
Shouldn't Hawkins have gone number one or two in the draft?