..the club has been a shambles off field all year, all under their watch.... ..I envy your optimism, but I reckon it's part blind hope, part desperation for things to improve.... ..I reckon we've got a few years of crap still to come before we actually bottom out.. ..some might not believe it, but we can fall further yet..

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No doubt we can but at least we are now not going to sign the Thomas's & Jones of the world. If we don't have hope we have nothing. What I see is a club finally reconising their position and deciding on a proper path to get back to the top instead of a quick fix. The next few years will be hard but I'm happy to take a couple fo years around the bottom of the ladder if the side is full of kids building for the future ala St Kilda & WB. What I don't want is to be sitting in the bottom 8 with a list that is older and no upside. Just a waste. It's the way the system is designed and you need to work within it.

The key now is to get the trades and draft right. It will be SOS's & Bolton's first in charge so I don't see any point making a judgement until that period is past.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Absolutely agree regarding MLG. He got Silvagni back, which is too his credit but he just isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Only thing is he is a butter knife compared to a blunt intrument like Kernahan

..why won't we continue to sign up players on big money long year type contracts?, it's what sos did at gws... ....it would be the Only reason Carlisle would want to come to us, for example..

..I agree that we need to use the system, but trying o do it all in one or two drafts is fraught with danger.. ..saints I don't buy into the hype they are ready to climb back up the ladder, dogs got lucky with f/s.. ..both clubs have better leaders to develop the youth they get in..

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I can't agree. SOS said it will take 3 drafts to build a proper list. In reality you can only chnage about 8-10 players a year. So that's 30. Then it is about maintenance and topping up.

The reality is our list is a disgrace and we need to make changes and big ones.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Is that gooch whose two scores in his first test are in the middle of his name?

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And a partridge in a pear tree?

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..yep, the very fact sos mentioned a three year rebuild, says to me that he has no clue.. ..and the scary idea (which I agree with btw) that we need to Still turn over more than half our list means we're at least Five years away from building a deep list..

..but we only have a handful of core types to carry us forward, and cashing in on any of those is counterproductive in my opinion..

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Need to get your head out of the sand, this years loss is caused by mistakes of the previous 8 years since 2007 when duck up after duck up permeated in all areas of the club.

There will be more @#$%&! ups too, but it's clear the Gooch has a bloody plan which encompasses the whole club and its supporters.

Last 12 months has been polar opposite to anything over the last 20 years. It's so blindingly obvious

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

Sarcasm?

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So what's the options? Keep plodding along around the bottom of the table with the crap list we currently have.

At the most Henderson Yarran Bell Menzel Kruezer will leave. Not exactly a mass exodus.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

What? Stringer, Bont, Daniel, Macrae, Dickson, Webb, Dalhaus, JJ etc....

Wallis has been great, Libba injured, and Hunter barely played until 6 weeks ago. Hardly lucky.

As for leaders how do you know? From last year they got rid of senior players 'leaders' in Griffen, Gia, Cooney and Higgins and now just have Picken, Boyd, Morris and Murphy as they're most senior players....

Picken and Murphy have stepped up with the responsibility. We've never known what leaders we have, due to never before implementing an environment which allows for such a character to prevail.

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pretty sure port made a loss after just missing out on the GF last year and that's with adelaide oval.

..that's only this year.. ..but we've been shedding players for a few years now.. ..the reality is we need to slowly rebuild.. ..trying to cash in now is too late.. ..realise that we need to build slowly over five years, cos trying to cash in now won't make it any faster, but will just do more damage to our brand and run the risk of losing what little talent we retain..

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..they've always been good players, thinking they weren't leadership material before now is ignorance.. ..and really, they didn't get rid of gia.. ..Time did..

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..also, we wish we had the dogs good playing culture of the last decade..

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I knew I shouldn't have bothered.....

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..why not?, the dogs have had a strong on field culture for over a decade now.. ..you don't get that without having multiple leaders on every Line.. ....and that combined with multiple years of drafting And a bonus year of f/s selections has enabled them to rise quickly.. ..we haven't had a good on field culture in over a decade, we don't have leaders on every line, there's a strong chance we are pushing out one of the few finals footy type players we have, we have shed quality players for zero return for a few years now, and are trying to cash in on what we have lwft.. ..we are nothing like their rebuild..

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Good points. What the Bulldogs have done over the past few years has been impressive and the benefits are starting to show.

We are right at the beginning. It will take time and we will get things wrong but if we stick to the basic principles of building a list I believe we will be fine. I believe we now have the right people in place (except McKay)

My feeling is that part of Bolton's presentation was a very realistic summation of our list that would of married up with SOS's thoughts.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

..I wouldn't compare us to them.. ..miles apart.. ..they cashed in on their players, we've lost the same quality for no cashing in, and are only Now trying to cash in.. ..and they are rebuilding on a decade of strong playing culture.. ..we are much more like Melbourne's attempt of a rebuild..

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