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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:54 am 
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Grant from the Bulldogs?

kill me now

He's a better stop gap than Jones, Tutt, Whiley, White, Ellard, Carrazzo, Dick, Walsh, Russell, Rowe, Watson and Warnock while we develop our young talent. So that's about half the list.


12 wrongs don't make a right. Grant is a very average player, more a flanker than anything and not what we need. Makes no sense to me.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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I'd prefer to give Brisbane pick 20 for Aish and take Carlisle in the PSD so that Essendon** get nothing in return.

Can someone please show some footage somewhere of Aish that leaves you satisfied he is worth pick 20 in any upcoming draft?

I'm just not seeing it. All of his AFL games this season are available on afl.com.au to any Australian resident via the smart replay feature, so have at it and cut up a highlight reel where he looks like a top 10 player.

Docherty looked streets ahead of him at the same point in his Brisbane career, as did Yeo. Did they get pick 20? The top 30 at this draft isn't bad, so this year's 20 is still worth 20 in any other year.

We should be looking at a bloke like Stewart with that pick if we're going to trade it off, or as a makeweight in a big deal like getting Patton.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:00 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
jimmae wrote:
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Grant from the Bulldogs?

kill me now

He's a better stop gap than Jones, Tutt, Whiley, White, Ellard, Carrazzo, Dick, Walsh, Russell, Rowe, Watson and Warnock while we develop our young talent. So that's about half the list.


12 wrongs don't make a right. Grant is a very average player, more a flanker than anything and not what we need. Makes no sense to me.

Because you look at heights and weights and call it a day based on your extremely obtuse views of talent, especially of anyone over the age of 24.

He has elite pace for his height, he is a naturally attacking player and he runs all day. Play him in the high half forward role and he, Boekhorst, Yarran and Buckley would terrorise sides. He and Stringer are what make the Dogs' forward line so dynamic.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Well... if Bailey Rice does come to us now, he can have no 23! (assuming no one else has posted this).

Maybe part of the grand plan to keep him from the Saints!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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jimmae wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
I'd prefer to give Brisbane pick 20 for Aish and take Carlisle in the PSD so that Essendon*** get nothing in return.

Can someone please show some footage somewhere of Aish that leaves you satisfied he is worth pick 20 in any upcoming draft?

I'm just not seeing it. All of his AFL games this season are available on afl.com.au to any Australian resident via the smart replay feature, so have at it and cut up a highlight reel where he looks like a top 10 player.

Docherty looked streets ahead of him at the same point in his Brisbane career, as did Yeo. Did they get pick 20? The top 30 at this draft isn't bad, so this year's 20 is still worth 20 in any other year.

We should be looking at a bloke like Stewart with that pick if we're going to trade it off, or as a makeweight in a big deal like getting Patton.


Previous 3 years irrelevant for this exercise?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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I'm interested in weighing up where people see Aish's career as being at, where it will go and what's available at pick 20 in this draft. That's the decision as it stands.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Aish > Pick 20

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Carlton must follow St Kilda, Western Bulldogs in list rebuild to return to top

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Lachie Henderson definitely didn’t, Chris Yarran sure doesn’t and Troy Menzel isn’t showing it either as he cruises around in the VFL.

No club wants to lose a 25-year-old quality swingman like Henderson, especially not one a club with a lack of key position stars.

But as list manager Steve Silvagni knows so well, the Blues have to be as bold and innovative as St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs before them.

And that means keeping hold of Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs and Matthew Kreuzer and surrounding them with as many early picks as possible.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Aish > Pick 20

Thank you BigFooty, anyone else?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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jimmae wrote:
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If Carlisle wants more than $500K a year tell him to GAGF!

As our primary KPD, what percentage of the TPP do you think he is worth, bearing in mind that Murphy and Gibbs earn 6.5% each?

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Grant from the Bulldogs?

kill me now

He's a better stop gap than Jones, Tutt, Whiley, White, Ellard, Carrazzo, Dick, Walsh, Russell, Rowe, Watson and Warnock while we develop our young talent. So that's about half the list.


Stop gaps are the issue. No more. Not in this draft, the next, not ever. I'd rather continue to get belted each week knowing that the kids will improve. I thought St.Kilda would struggle to win a game after the Wellington game, they stuck to their guns and are reaping rewards.

It shows how far we've fallen, but, we need to follow their example :yikes:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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jimmae wrote:
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Aish > Pick 20

Thank you BigFooty, anyone else?


:roll:

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Can't ever see Carlton and Essendon* agreeing on a trade involving Carlisle.
It would psd or nothing.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:36 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
jimmae wrote:
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Grant from the Bulldogs?

kill me now

He's a better stop gap than Jones, Tutt, Whiley, White, Ellard, Carrazzo, Dick, Walsh, Russell, Rowe, Watson and Warnock while we develop our young talent. So that's about half the list.


12 wrongs don't make a right. Grant is a very average player, more a flanker than anything and not what we need. Makes no sense to me.


Because you look at heights and weights and call it a day based on your extremely obtuse views of talent, especially of anyone over the age of 24.

He has elite pace for his height, he is a naturally attacking player and he runs all day. Play him in the high half forward role and he, Boekhorst, Yarran and Buckley would terrorise sides. He and Stringer are what make the Dogs' forward line so dynamic.


No that is not correct. Your and my views are poles apart but that doesn't make me obtuse. I just don't think he is a good player and he is not what we need. We have a good base to build on and need to add potential A grade talent to our list.

The reason that Bulldogs forward line works so well is that get it in quickly and to the advantage of a teammate most times with good ball use. Something we drastically lack. Also, Yarran is gone, BB is yet to prove himself by a long way and Buckley is showing great promise as a defender so it's fair to say your logic lacks logic.

All you're advocating is more of the same of what we have done over the past few years. I am all for bringing in talent to the club but at least make sure they can play. IMO Grant doesn't add anymore than a Walker or Everitt could.

We need key position players and mids. Not flankers.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Terrorise them through the midfield... recognise the murky lens through which you are analysing him.

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Rexy wrote:
Can't ever see Carlton and Essendon** agreeing on a trade involving Carlisle.
It would psd or nothing.


As it should be. Not that keen on him myself and Essendon* (egged on by Robbo's media crap) will want two first round picks for a bloke who might be getting splinters into his concrete arse for two years.

Don't want him or his attitude. Seriously, he played a few good games last year and outside of this has done very little. Hendo is a better player.


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Can't ever see Carlton and Essendon** agreeing on a trade involving Carlisle.
It would psd or nothing.


If there's no coach in place by trade period, Dodoro will be drunk on power.

I'd guess that he wants our 1st round picks for the next 10 years as fair compensation for Carlisle.

I really hope we use the PSD.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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jimmae wrote:
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Aish > Pick 20

Thank you BigFooty, anyone else?


Aish is difficult to quantify based on:
1. Differing form from last year to this year
2. Perception (right or wrong) that he is a link player more than a destructive break the lines type
3. (Supposedly) weak draft, meaning first rounders more of a priority
4. His desire to get out and whether this is interpreted as weak, a reflection of the Lions or an attitudinal thing.

I have not seen enough of him to either get too excited or make a definitive call. Happy to take quality always but if we do, I see him becoming the new Gibbs in terms of fan discontent.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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I'm sure I just saw someone back on page 95 arguing that Jarrad Grant was the answer and then the same person on page 96 saying that James Aish was rubbish.

I'm sure that isn't what they actually meant though.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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I'm sure I just saw someone back on page 95 arguing that Jarrad Grant was the answer and then the same person on page 96 saying that James Aish was rubbish.

I'm sure that isn't what they actually meant though.

Yes, I wanted Grant for around the average AFL salary because I think he's going to be a permanent difference maker for us...

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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jimmae wrote:
Heavs wrote:
I'm sure I just saw someone back on page 95 arguing that Jarrad Grant was the answer and then the same person on page 96 saying that James Aish was rubbish.

I'm sure that isn't what they actually meant though.

Yes, I wanted Grant for around the average AFL salary because I think he's going to be a permanent difference maker for us...


I think it's safe to say that you are the only one that thinks that.

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