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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:46 am 
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Malthouses idea. He specifically told Rogers he wanted: "A CHB, A HCF and outside run". This is straight from Rogers' mouth.

Per request, we got Jones as the CHF, Jaksch as the CHB, picked Boekhurst with 19 for run and also took Tutt in the PSD for this reason.

Could have had LaVerde or Goddard at pick 19, or (shock horror) if we didn't trade away pick 6 we could have had someone much, much better still.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:50 am 
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Does anyone actually know who's idea it was to recruit Thomas Jones Dick & Tutt. Not only that, who approved those moves and the contracts?


Malthouse, McKay and whoever our CEO was then.

Gleeson as the football director would be involved also I would've thought.


That's what I thought. McKay should've sacked on those alone yet his position seems to be stronger. Why?

We have a crap list yet have Salary Cap issues. Why?

Malthouse says to the board last year we have a poor lust and lack talent. So what do we do? Sign a bunch of reserve graders from other clubs. Why?

This is my biggest concern going forward. Lack of process, lack of understanding regarding what really needs to happen. Things being done at half measures. All it will achieve is a slightly improved level of mediocrity.

I try to remain positive but I'm hearing from too many people that things aren't really improving.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:01 pm 
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For one I don't think SOS will even consider reserve players who never made it when given a decent opportunity at other clubs (e.g. Tutt and Jones).

Two, if we have implemented a TPP tiering structure, we won't be overpaying anymore.

Three, I think if we go down the Boston Redsox path, performance will be used to gauge contracts over a period of time.

Only assumptions, but simple methods to use to modernise our list management.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:25 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
For one I don't think SOS will even consider reserve players who never made it when given a decent opportunity at other clubs (e.g. Tutt and Jones).

Two, if we have implemented a TPP tiering structure, we won't be overpaying anymore.

Three, I think if we go down the Boston Redsox path, performance will be used to gauge contracts over a period of time.

Only assumptions, but simple methods to use to modernise our list management.


I agree with comments. The systems and methods seem simple to everyone else except the club and have so for a long time.

It's seems as though everyone can see the issues but the club can't. It really feels like groundhog day.

My concern going forward is the lack of accountability for bad decisions and the lack of cultural change around the club. It seems to be same decisions being made by different people.

MLG seems lost and lacks genuine leadership and at the moment that's what we need. We need something to excite the masses. Strip the club and the list back and communicate what we are doing and membership will grow, win or lose.

If as some people suggest Barker has got the nod then that is a disgrace. Not because of Barker himself but because there is no way a proper process (as promised) could of been conducted in such a short period of time. There is no way that during a season we could of trimmed a list and then had 2-3 interviews or presentations from the candidates.

This trade and draft period is vital for the club. The most vital ever. If we don't show we have changed our attitude and are truly looking to rebuild the next decade will be barren in terms of results and membership and we will simply be a puppet for the AFL.

I am forever hopeful but the signs aren't great so far.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:38 pm 
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Barker has done very little to suggest he is the answer as head coach.

Except for the very small bounce in intensity for 3 weeks, our gameplan is similar and our players are playing similar roles to before. He hasn't engendered any great increase in performance from established senior players such as Yarran, Henderson and Jamieson which leads me to think that a totally fresh approach and voice is needed.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:41 pm 
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Did we seriously give Liam Jones a 3 year deal? Who is responsible for that decision? The guy was on the point of delisting and couldn't get a game at the Dogs, how could we give him anything other than an incentive based yearly contract.

Right. I never thought of that. Why has no one ever brought this up before?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:52 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Does anyone actually know who's idea it was to recruit Thomas Jones Dick & Tutt. Not only that, who approved those moves and the contracts?

Not sure the recruitment of Dick really stands alongside the other three. 20 year old with some AFL qualities on a minimum contract.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:51 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
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Does anyone actually know who's idea it was to recruit Thomas Jones Dick & Tutt. Not only that, who approved those moves and the contracts?

Not sure the recruitment of Dick really stands alongside the other three. 20 year old with some AFL qualities on a minimum contract.


........and can't get a run in a side that is poor and lacks numbers. His selection doesn't make sense to me either. Just another wasted spot.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:53 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
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Did we seriously give Liam Jones a 3 year deal? Who is responsible for that decision? The guy was on the point of delisting and couldn't get a game at the Dogs, how could we give him anything other than an incentive based yearly contract.

Right. I never thought of that. Why has no one ever brought this up before?


In fairness Moshe people still can't believe it happened.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:47 pm 
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chelodina wrote:
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naive.

We have seen ripple effects of losing Betts.

Waite is no leader, but to balance 1 v 2 year contract for someone who plays a Key Position role in the side and to lose him for nothing was a poor decision.



..Rubbish.. ..at his age, with his injury history,, one year contracts were the way to go.. ..it's good enough for Judd, but Waite needs better..?.. ..c'mon..


It has worked out really well for us...... We are paying Liam Jones his salary----- great choice


..two separate issues entirely..


How? We let Waite, a forward, go and recruit Jones, a forward.

apples with apples



..jones should not have been recruited, full stop..!.. ....waite should only have been offered a single year contract with option for second year provided reasonable kpi's were met, and fair coin.. ....he wanted more, and at his age and 'history' it wasn't right.. ..as I said, Judd was taking one year contracts.. ..waite didn't deserve more/better than Judd.. ..no one does at that age..

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:53 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
Malthouses idea. He specifically told Rogers he wanted: "A CHB, A HCF and outside run". This is straight from Rogers' mouth.

Per request, we got Jones as the CHF, Jaksch as the CHB, picked Boekhurst with 19 for run and also took Tutt in the PSD for this reason.

Could have had LaVerde or Goddard at pick 19, or (shock horror) if we didn't trade away pick 6 we could have had someone much, much better still.


..I was against the trade in the first place, and in his draft year I actually wanted KJ.. ....top ten draft picks are gold.. ..but we didn't want to be patient.. ..three for one, quick fix was in..

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:32 pm 
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Been pleased with Boekhorst the last 2 weeks. Showed some good signs.
Liked the move of Tuohy to midfield.
Liked Kreuzer's effort.
Cripps needs to fix up his set shot kicking.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:54 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
Did we seriously give Liam Jones a 3 year deal? Who is responsible for that decision? The guy was on the point of delisting and couldn't get a game at the Dogs, how could we give him anything other than an incentive based yearly contract.

Right. I never thought have that. Why has no one ever brought this up before?

EFA

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:25 am 
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Agree Stef - love Crippa but he will get lots of shots for goal given he is a strong mark for his size but must nail them - has had a few easy ones this year that he should have kicked - having said that the whole team needs to improve its kicking for goal let alone disposal around the ground


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:53 pm 
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Moshe wrote:
Right. I never thought of that. Why has no one ever brought this up before?

You're not being sarcastic and pedantic in the same sentence are you Moshe?


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Blue Sombrero wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
Did we seriously give Liam Jones a 3 year deal? Who is responsible for that decision? The guy was on the point of delisting and couldn't get a game at the Dogs, how could we give him anything other than an incentive based yearly contract.

Right. I never thought have that. Why has no one ever brought this up before?

EFA

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Liked the move of Tuohy to midfield.


Like to see it trialled for the rest of the year. We have enough defenders and he could cause some damage through the middle. Reminds a bit of Wayne Harmes in his prime. :smoking:

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ThePsychologist wrote:
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Liked the move of Tuohy to midfield.


Like to see it trialled for the rest of the year. We have enough defenders and he could cause some damage through the middle. Reminds a bit of Wayne Harmes in his prime. :smoking:


Does he have the endurance to be a full time midfielder?


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ThePsychologist wrote:
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Liked the move of Tuohy to midfield.


Like to see it trialled for the rest of the year. We have enough defenders and he could cause some damage through the middle. Reminds a bit of Wayne Harmes in his prime. :smoking:


Harmes on his day,along with Brent Crosswell,was one of the most brilliant players to represent our great club.

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Blue Boys wrote:
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Stefchook wrote:
Liked the move of Tuohy to midfield.


Like to see it trialled for the rest of the year. We have enough defenders and he could cause some damage through the middle. Reminds a bit of Wayne Harmes in his prime. :smoking:


Does he have the endurance to be a full time midfielder?


Not sure but might as well find out

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