Our new coach - 2016: Brendon Bolton - 25/8/15

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:32 pm

How do you know Barker was shit . he may have been sitting in the background nashing his teeth following instructions.
He might have learnt not what to do as a senior coach

camel · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:33 pm

djt25 wrote:

First time poster, long time reader of these forums. Just reading the last few pages has got me really angry. I've followed Carlton for over 30 years. I love the club, haven't missed watching a game for years (Whether that is going or watching the game on tv). If John Barker gets the job as coach then I'm done with this club. He's been here for what 5 years and they honestly think he is the best person for the club?

We are such an amateur football club, so much I'd like to say....but what's the point. RIP Carlton.

Quality first post! :thumbsup:

verbs · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:37 pm

camelboy wrote:

djt25 wrote:

First time poster, long time reader of these forums. Just reading the last few pages has got me really angry. I've followed Carlton for over 30 years. I love the club, haven't missed watching a game for years (Whether that is going or watching the game on tv). If John Barker gets the job as coach then I'm done with this club. He's been here for what 5 years and they honestly think he is the best person for the club?

We are such an amateur football club, so much I'd like to say....but what's the point. RIP Carlton.

Quality first post! :thumbsup:

Particularly the "RIP Carlton." bit. :lol:

camel · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:40 pm

Haha, it sums up the sentiment I guess.

Big Kahuna Boot · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:43 pm

Sydney Blue wrote:

How do you know Barker was shit . he may have been sitting in the background nashing his teeth following instructions.
He might have learnt not what to do as a senior coach

..he's definitely learned what not to do.. ....off two coaches now..

AGRO · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:46 pm

Big Kahuna Boot wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

How do you know Barker was shit . he may have been sitting in the background nashing his teeth following instructions.
He might have learnt not what to do as a senior coach

..he's definitely learned what not to do.. ....off two coaches now..

You'd think the dolts that make up our board, who've overseen the last three appointments would have a clue by now as well. :wink:

Punter22 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:01 pm

Can someone please point me to a position group Barker was coaching and see the improvement he conjured?

It's a genuine question I'm not trying to be a smart arse.

How does a coach who's been present every step of the way over the last five years, resulting in a playing culture as we currently see it, possibly turn it around? This is the bloke who said himself multiple players have checked out - with him in charge! And he's the best possible candidate in Australia to rebuild the same group. Holy mackerel.

I had no idea coaching stocks were so low.

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 15012

Does anyone really think that Judd would be a part of a dodgy process to find our next coach?
As someone has pointed out maybe some candidates simply do not want the job and the field has been somewhat shortened.

Punter22 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:04 pm

Sydney Blue wrote:

How do you know Barker was shit . he may have been sitting in the background nashing his teeth following instructions.
He might have learnt not what to do as a senior coach

He should be an expert at this.

Drewgirl · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:57 pm **Posts:** 4773

Punter. Spot on!!

jimmae · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:07 pm

Mickstar wrote:

jimmae wrote:

Mickstar wrote:

It could be argued that the appointment of the recruitment manager is more important than the new coach whoever that may be................... jungle drums are beating out west that we are going gangbusters for Simon Dalrymple.Thats what those in the know out there are saying.Would be a good get for mine.

"Let's just copy the Bulldogs"

Just sayin' what there sayin' .

No doubt Mick, not a slight on you at all.

Sydney Blue wrote:

How do you know Barker was shit . he may have been sitting in the background nashing his teeth following instructions.
He might have learnt not what to do as a senior coach

This is the clear counter-argument, but that just gives us 'Barker the good bloke', 'Barker the yes man', 'No opinion Barker', 'Barker the self-serving', 'Barker the spineless'.

The public face of his time at the club is not great, and it's a tremendously bold move to make him run things now.

AGRO's sous chef analogy is a decent take, but a professional kitchen is a much more compressed and egotistical environment than even a football club; Barker has had years to be able to find his feet and breathe, and it's pretty clear his philosophy on football hasn't been drastically different from those he's worked with, but that says a lot about football more than Barker.

We certainly don't have enough information to make this call, but if you could quantify such things, Barker would want to be able to produce something at least 5% better than the other candidates because the supporters are going to quick to turn up the heat if the results aren't evident.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:12 pm

jimmae wrote:

Mickstar wrote:

jimmae wrote:

Mickstar wrote:

It could be argued that the appointment of the recruitment manager is more important than the new coach whoever that may be................... jungle drums are beating out west that we are going gangbusters for Simon Dalrymple.Thats what those in the know out there are saying.Would be a good get for mine.

"Let's just copy the Bulldogs"

Just sayin' what there sayin' .

No doubt Mick, not a slight on you at all.

Sydney Blue wrote:

How do you know Barker was shit . he may have been sitting in the background nashing his teeth following instructions.
He might have learnt not what to do as a senior coach

This is the clear counter-argument, but that just gives us 'Barker the good bloke', 'Barker the yes man', 'No opinion Barker', 'Barker the self-serving', 'Barker the spineless'.

The public face of his time at the club is not great, and it's a tremendously bold move to make him run things now.

AGRO's sous chef analogy is a decent take, but a professional kitchen is a much more compressed and egotistical environment than even a football club; Barker has had years to be able to find his feet and breathe, and it's pretty clear his philosophy on football hasn't been drastically different from those he's worked with.

I don't think there would be to many in the industry which would question Mick.
I've have seen lots of really talented people follow the company line be it right wrong or indifferent but when given the chance to show their wears have excelled

jimmae · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:24 pm

I just don't think a football club is ultimately the kind of environment, both in culture and size, where you see people slip between the cracks rather than climb the ladder.

Punter22 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:31 pm

I'd take one clear example of him showing his wares with a position group.

verbs · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:33 pm

Punter22 wrote:

I'd take one clear example of him showing his wares with a position group.

You won't find any answers here.

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8214

Punter22 wrote:

Can someone please point me to a position group Barker was coaching and see the improvement he conjured?

It's a genuine question I'm not trying to be a smart arse.

How does a coach who's been present every step of the way over the last five years, resulting in a playing culture as we currently see it, possibly turn it around? This is the bloke who said himself multiple players have checked out - with him in charge! And he's the best possible candidate in Australia to rebuild the same group. Holy mackerel.

I had no idea coaching stocks were so low.

Might not be alot of potential coaches who put their hand up either. Adelaide's a bit more enticing.

Punter22 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:50 pm

So our potential result at the end of 2015, after all the talk of a huge rebuild, is a long term assistant hired as senior coach, and zero or minimal board change.

This is fantastic.

In SOS we trust.

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:57 pm

djt25 wrote:

First time poster, long time reader of these forums. Just reading the last few pages has got me really angry. I've followed Carlton for over 30 years. I love the club, haven't missed watching a game for years (Whether that is going or watching the game on tv). If John Barker gets the job as coach then I'm done with this club. He's been here for what 5 years and they honestly think he is the best person for the club?

We are such an amateur football club, so much I'd like to say....but what's the point. RIP Carlton.

Quality post at the last sentence...
Respect

emtwenty · **Joined:** Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:29 pm **Posts:** 7074

this is peak meltdown material for something that hasn't happened yet.

Punter22 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:21 pm

emtwenty wrote:

this is peak meltdown material for something that hasn't happened yet.

No faith in grro? He seems very sure.

I'm sure between his mail and yours, someone could offer you guys a success story of Barker's. He must have racked up plenty after five years.

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