"Here Brett, there is the best player in the comp, the second best forward, 2 number 1 draft picks with experience and another in your first year. Now let's see what you can do to build the club a future" And what did he leave- scorched earth

Ratten left us with 11 wins in a season where we had a bad spate of injuries. Malthouse managed 12 then 7 then 1. He butchered us.

I think Brett wasn't ready... and the club just believed in its divine right to rule.
Very arrogant and lazy mentality...
Has never done it hard and is still not doing it hard..

The club has been living on a sense of entitlement

It doesn't understand the industry its competing in.. by club I mean the people running it.. the club of course has no brain ,eyes..mind a..heart..logic..awareness..

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Ratten is kinda like the perfect coach now. After two years as an assistant premiership coach he would of improved from learning from the best. Unfortunately, we will probably pick an untried coach and fail. I would pick him any day over dew, tudor and lloyd if barker is not kept on.

And anyone that takes patrick smith seriously is as stupid as him. I do not know how he is on radio. Stupidest views on a lot of sports. I think radio likes him because he is controversial, because of the stupid comments he says.

Jezz, When the list needed a shake up in 2012 Mick sat on his hands. He didnt trade. It was obvious to the whole football world what needed to be done but his ego got the better of him. In the end we lost blokes for nothing, we held on to others for too long and he made stupid trades for his mates and Bulldog reserve players.

His work at Carlton was terrible.

But he had a great book tour.

Interesting talk on Ratts. With the experience gained under Clarkson should he be given another go with a cleanout of the assistant coaches.

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Why after getting the arse would he want to come back to the mess we are in

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really ... until the board all goes, or at the minimum, the majority of the board goes ... we're just putting lipstick on a pig as far as new coaches, draft picks, footballing department go.

but even if the board departed today, we're still screwed. this board had to clear out before we went completely and utterly broke. now we are broke, we can't afford to implement major change through coaches & line coaches, development and recruiting and scouting etc ...


we are flying directly at the sun here, in an identical fashion to what fitzroy and south melbourne before us did.

Ratten was every part the mess maker as everybody else...
I'd love rats to come back just for lolz

Rats having been to a good club now knows how far off track we are and always were...

There was no way we were going where we had to... and each and every year that passed from what was a fork in the road but a defining moment ..
actually two of those.
First one was the salary cap breaches.. that should have taught us which direction we had to go..
Second was the Pratt era and his legacy

lazy, lazy mentality on the back of oligarchal shortcuts
Terrible appointments at such a crucial stage . Then the kneejerk and overseer to correct it..

What's a constant is the board not willing to accept any responsibility

We are not returning from this.
There's no coming home..

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In the meantime the board has just made their position more impregnable

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So everything is sunshine and flowers then?

How full is the glass ?

Yeah a bit of bad luck and poor management from the previous administration. Sacked some heads around the place and brought in SOS.. We're rebuilding next 66 games.. Everything is good

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OK go on then, who have we brought in since 2012 to replace all the attacking fire-power we dealt away? Everitt? Come on, give me a name!

Your post is a complete lie but never let the truth get in the way of small minded bias.
In 2012 when Malthouse arrived everyone was contracted, he couldn't cut anyone
In 2013 Malthouse told the board to rebuild and 10 to 12 went in 2013 and 2014
Malthouse "good" or Malthouse "bad" is not the issue but don't rewrite history and claim that he stuffed the place based on a trade here or there. If you think 32 year old Waite (who MM wanted to Keep) or Lazy Garlett are the change factors, keep living in denial in your simple world where the next coach is going to make all the difference. Let me spell it out for you
LIST
Board
Development
COACH

The truth is we have been run like a kindergarten for years.
Before mick came.
Andrew McKay has been in charge of the football dept for years and list management and recruitment and development have been diabolical and shambolic

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I am talking about trading players to re shape the list. The list that was tried and tested but shown to not be up to it.

You know exactly what I am talking about and are just playing dumb.

For mine, the decline started with the departure of Icke at the end of 2011.

Why is there a mick v ratts debate?

One could coach with our list and the other couldnt. Give mick the hawks to coach and he would make finals. Give him a team without a complete spine and he has no idea.

Ratts was a better coach then a lot give him credit for. Hawks midfield went up a cog since he joined clarko. Now they are looking at a 3peat. Carltons midfield was also regarded as a grade before murphy and carrots were lost to season ending injuries.

I just laugh at the mick v rats comparisons. Ratts probably had more wins than pagan and mm combined

They're all gone.

And they aint coming back.


Time to start seducing some new victims to come to our club!