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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:54 pm 
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Surely we can con Essendon** into a deal re: Carlisle that is along the lines of "We're offering pick 20-something and Liam Jones, or he can walk for nothing in the PSD. Take it or leave it".


I like it! :thumbsup: I'd rather Carlisle even if he has to sit out a 1 year suspension, then Jones on our list for another two.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:07 pm 
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My silly thoughts,
Henderson will go to the cats =probably pick 10
Pick 19 probably for Aish
Pick 37 for Rice
Pick 3 hopefully for Schache
Pick 10 another tall
Yarran will stay, maybe go next year under FA, who is going to offer a top 15 pick when he is so lazy
2016
Buckley Jamison Simpson
Tuohy ???? DVR
Boekhorst Cripps
Menzel Casboult Aish
Everitt Schache Rice
Kreuzer Murphy Judd
From; Jaksch Graham Whiley Bell Smith Holman Sheehan pick 10 and SOSS
One more year for; Walsh Fields Foster Byrne and Giles
Delist/Retire everyone else..


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:09 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:15 pm 
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blueboy23 wrote:
My silly thoughts,
Henderson will go to the cats =probably pick 10
Pick 19 probably for Aish
Pick 37 for Rice
Pick 3 hopefully for Schache
Pick 10 another tall
Yarran will stay, maybe go next year under FA, who is going to offer a top 15 pick when he is so lazy
2016
Buckley Jamison Simpson
Tuohy ???? DVR
Boekhorst Cripps
Menzel Casboult Aish
Everitt Schache Rice
Kreuzer Murphy Judd
From; Jaksch Graham Whiley Bell Smith Holman Sheehan pick 10 and SOSS
One more year for; Walsh Fields Foster Byrne and Giles
Delist/Retire everyone else..


Possible.

If we got a Schache/Weitering I would use pick 10 on a mid and hopefully Curnow will slip through. I think he is a star in the making.

Would we take pick 15 for Menzel? Could easily get another potential gun tall like McKay, Hipwood, Collins or Weideman or mids like Partington, Tucker, Lovell, Ah Chee. No matter what you think of Menzel IMO trading a mid size HF for a potential key position player or gun mid is the right thing to do to advance our list.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:18 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:

If we got a Schache/Weitering I would use pick 10 on a mid and hopefully Curnow will slip through. I think he is a star in the making.

Would we take pick 15 for Menzel? Could easily get another potential gun tall like McKay, Hipwood, Collins or Weideman or mids like Partington, Tucker, Lovel, Ah Chee. No matter what you think of Menzel IMO trading a mid size HF for a potential key position player or gun mid is the right thing to do to advance our list.


I agree completely.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:25 pm 
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Can't see us getting Schache or Weitering - unfortunately it is looking increasingly likely that our first selection will be pick #3.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:35 pm 
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Rumour on BF that Rice will play for the Northern Blues when they play Collingwood in the curtain raiser on the G in a few weeks.

Given its a bye for the NBs this week I haven't been able to confirm whether this is true or not from someone at the NBs.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:37 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Gee, it is a real concern when Pagan comes out and says that Carlton is in a worse position than when he was here.
HUN today saying that Carlton will only trade Yarran if a really good deal is on offer, mentions that the club would be prepared to lose him next season as a free agent because we will finish bottom 6 anyway and will get a "Frawley" type compensation from the AFL.
Paper also says that the club is privately preparing to losing Henderson to Geelong.

Privately preparing? Lachie was told in April that he was being shipped off for draft picks and to find himself a suitable home.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:41 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
blueboy23 wrote:
My silly thoughts,
Henderson will go to the cats =probably pick 10
Pick 19 probably for Aish
Pick 37 for Rice
Pick 3 hopefully for Schache
Pick 10 another tall
Yarran will stay, maybe go next year under FA, who is going to offer a top 15 pick when he is so lazy
2016
Buckley Jamison Simpson
Tuohy ???? DVR
Boekhorst Cripps
Menzel Casboult Aish
Everitt Schache Rice
Kreuzer Murphy Judd
From; Jaksch Graham Whiley Bell Smith Holman Sheehan pick 10 and SOSS
One more year for; Walsh Fields Foster Byrne and Giles
Delist/Retire everyone else..


Possible.

If we got a Schache/Weitering I would use pick 10 on a mid and hopefully Curnow will slip through. I think he is a star in the making.

Would we take pick 15 for Menzel? Could easily get another potential gun tall like McKay, Hipwood, Collins or Weideman or mids like Partington, Tucker, Lovell, Ah Chee. No matter what you think of Menzel IMO trading a mid size HF for a potential key position player or gun mid is the right thing to do to advance our list.

On Curnow, Terry Wallet had his rolling top 20 today on Future Stars and he had Curnow at pick 11 for Collingwood.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:44 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
kezza wrote:
Gee, it is a real concern when Pagan comes out and says that Carlton is in a worse position than when he was here.
HUN today saying that Carlton will only trade Yarran if a really good deal is on offer, mentions that the club would be prepared to lose him next season as a free agent because we will finish bottom 6 anyway and will get a "Frawley" type compensation from the AFL.
Paper also says that the club is privately preparing to losing Henderson to Geelong.

Privately preparing? Lachie was told in April that he was being shipped off for draft picks and to find himself a suitable home.

Is that right?
There have been conflicting stories regarding Henderson. Some saying he was shopping himself around during the pre season, others saying he wants to stay but the club has told him he will be moved on.
Others have suggested the club has put a contract in front of him but it is not enough.
Don't know what to believe but if the club told him that in April then we have completely lost the plot.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:47 pm 
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kezza wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
kezza wrote:
Gee, it is a real concern when Pagan comes out and says that Carlton is in a worse position than when he was here.
HUN today saying that Carlton will only trade Yarran if a really good deal is on offer, mentions that the club would be prepared to lose him next season as a free agent because we will finish bottom 6 anyway and will get a "Frawley" type compensation from the AFL.
Paper also says that the club is privately preparing to losing Henderson to Geelong.

Privately preparing? Lachie was told in April that he was being shipped off for draft picks and to find himself a suitable home.

Is that right?
There have been conflicting stories regarding Henderson. Some saying he was shopping himself around during the pre season, others saying he wants to stay but the club has told him he will be moved on.
Others have suggested the club has put a contract in front of him but it is not enough.
Don't know what to believe but if the club told him that in April then we have completely lost the plot.

Putting a contract to someone when you know it is significantly less than fair value = forcing them to leave.
Telling someone you're not a priority to keep must do wonders for their performance. Lachie is playing like someone who has been told he will be traded if they get a first rounder.

*waiting for psych to respond with some conflicting report*


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:54 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
Rumour on BF that Rice will play for the Northern Blues when they play Collingwood in the curtain raiser on the G in a few weeks.

Given its a bye for the NBs this week I haven't been able to confirm whether this is true or not from someone at the NBs.

I thought the 23rd man had to come from the linked junior club, i.e. Nothern Knights?

Who are the Stingrays affiliated with? Frankston?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:30 pm 
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The 23rd man has occasionally come from Northern Blues listed players this year. I'd say its age based.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:33 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Rumour on BF that Rice will play for the Northern Blues when they play Collingwood in the curtain raiser on the G in a few weeks.

Given its a bye for the NBs this week I haven't been able to confirm whether this is true or not from someone at the NBs.

I thought the 23rd man had to come from the linked junior club, i.e. Nothern Knights?

Who are the Stingrays affiliated with? Frankston?


Moore played for Collingwood's VFL last year.

Luke McDonald played for Werribee for North in his draft year.

I don't think you need to be affiliated.

I do know that the club was working on Rice playing for the NBs at some point but the rumour on bf was the first confirmation of this - hoping to find out its validity soon.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:55 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
The 23rd man has occasionally come from Northern Blues listed players this year. I'd say its age based.

They can be development squad players as well as I understood, but regardless of where they came from they can only be 23rd man 3 times in the regular season.

emtwenty wrote:
jimmae wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Rumour on BF that Rice will play for the Northern Blues when they play Collingwood in the curtain raiser on the G in a few weeks.

Given its a bye for the NBs this week I haven't been able to confirm whether this is true or not from someone at the NBs.

I thought the 23rd man had to come from the linked junior club, i.e. Nothern Knights?

Who are the Stingrays affiliated with? Frankston?


Moore played for Collingwood's VFL last year.

Luke McDonald played for Werribee for North in his draft year.

I don't think you need to be affiliated.

I do know that the club was working on Rice playing for the NBs at some point but the rumour on bf was the first confirmation of this - hoping to find out its validity soon.

McDonald and Moore both came via Oakleigh in terms of the TAC, but McDonald spent his final year outside the TAC system and trained with North, playing with Werribee as a listed player in 2013.

So it really comes down to what, if any, affiliations there are between Oakleigh and Collingwood, but it sounds like the rule might be flexible as you're suggesting. Something to remember is that both players were fully committed to being drafted via the F/S rule, and that Moore played with Collingwood's own VFL team, while McDonald was on a VFL list.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:05 am 
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emtwenty wrote:
kezza wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
kezza wrote:
Gee, it is a real concern when Pagan comes out and says that Carlton is in a worse position than when he was here.
HUN today saying that Carlton will only trade Yarran if a really good deal is on offer, mentions that the club would be prepared to lose him next season as a free agent because we will finish bottom 6 anyway and will get a "Frawley" type compensation from the AFL.
Paper also says that the club is privately preparing to losing Henderson to Geelong.

Privately preparing? Lachie was told in April that he was being shipped off for draft picks and to find himself a suitable home.

Is that right?
There have been conflicting stories regarding Henderson. Some saying he was shopping himself around during the pre season, others saying he wants to stay but the club has told him he will be moved on.
Others have suggested the club has put a contract in front of him but it is not enough.
Don't know what to believe but if the club told him that in April then we have completely lost the plot.

Putting a contract to someone when you know it is significantly less than fair value = forcing them to leave.
Telling someone you're not a priority to keep must do wonders for their performance. Lachie is playing like someone who has been told he will be traded if they get a first rounder.

*waiting for psych to respond with some conflicting report*


hey Em, you always seem like you have the good mail, but geez i hope you're wrong in this. he aint playing like he wants to be here, but surely Sos is smarter than that, talls don't grow on trees, i really don't want to lose him.

he needs to play in the backline to replace Jamo or Rowe, who arent the future

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:57 am 
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bender wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
kezza wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
kezza wrote:
Gee, it is a real concern when Pagan comes out and says that Carlton is in a worse position than when he was here.
HUN today saying that Carlton will only trade Yarran if a really good deal is on offer, mentions that the club would be prepared to lose him next season as a free agent because we will finish bottom 6 anyway and will get a "Frawley" type compensation from the AFL.
Paper also says that the club is privately preparing to losing Henderson to Geelong.

Privately preparing? Lachie was told in April that he was being shipped off for draft picks and to find himself a suitable home.

Is that right?
There have been conflicting stories regarding Henderson. Some saying he was shopping himself around during the pre season, others saying he wants to stay but the club has told him he will be moved on.
Others have suggested the club has put a contract in front of him but it is not enough.
Don't know what to believe but if the club told him that in April then we have completely lost the plot.

Putting a contract to someone when you know it is significantly less than fair value = forcing them to leave.
Telling someone you're not a priority to keep must do wonders for their performance. Lachie is playing like someone who has been told he will be traded if they get a first rounder.

*waiting for psych to respond with some conflicting report*


hey Em, you always seem like you have the good mail, but geez i hope you're wrong in this. he aint playing like he wants to be here, but surely Sos is smarter than that, talls don't grow on trees, i really don't want to lose him.

he needs to play in the backline to replace Jamo or Rowe, who arent the future

Agree, I find it staggering that the club would tell our only decent KPP in April that he will be moved on for draft picks.
Surely we are not that stupid.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:07 am 
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i kinda hope we can break into the top 2 for our pick. there's weitering, then alotta daylight to schache, and then more daylight to number 3.

and there's a good chance the lions will take schache, which would be a monumental blunder letting weitering go.

right now i'd trade menzel, and yarran and try to keep henderson, but it looks like henderson is all but gone.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:16 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
The 23rd man has occasionally come from Northern Blues listed players this year. I'd say its age based.

They can be development squad players as well as I understood, but regardless of where they came from they can only be 23rd man 3 times in the regular season.


Yes, I am aware of that thanks Jim.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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can someone tell me If we lost Hendo as a FA would we get a pick after our first rounder?

same goes for Yarren?

id take picks 1,2,3 or 2,3,4 :-)

ps outside of Cripps, Docherty, Murphy, Kruezer everyone should be tradeable. we are in a complete rebuild and need as many picks as possible

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