Given Garlisle is 23, I'm not sure it's counter-productive at all; Jamison will probably retire or last maybe one more year than his contract, which leaves us looking over at Jaksch, Foster, Giles and Fields unless we get Weitering/Scache and another talented tall.

Carlisle and Henderson insure us against the floor dropping out on us. The trick is - assuming they don't go up a level in output - to move on all of Casboult, White, Rowe & Jones by the end of 2017, and to have them replaced in the line up by the end of 2016. Jones is done with, White is next (via Giles/Jaksch/Fields), Rowe can be pushed out by Carlisle.

RE: Grant, he is clearly more talented than Jones or Tutt, so perhaps his wage may be an issue, but it it will be difficult for the Dogs to foot the bill also. 300k would be a little steep for us.

_________________
29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I wouldnt be too quick to get rid of casboult.. I dont mind whites hardness and flexibility either.
Weitering seems a competitive beast. If we got carlisle in the PSD and weitering , and kept henderson, then where would they play?
Carlisle is unhappy with playing forward and is not excelling there. He would need to play back. But we can say the same thing about henderson.
Weitering seems to me to be the type of player that could play anywhere. Could we make him a forward? It worked for cameron.
That would give us carlise, henderson and jamieson down back.
Weitering, casboult and a third tall- jaksch? Up forward.

Having a two-year plan is not 'quick'.

Henderson, Weitering and Carlisle would all play in defence, unless Giles recovers fully and shows form, then you move Hendo around again. Jaksch could play forward and try his hand at it to see if he develops more than Hendo did. Weitering could well develop into a forward too, just a question if he has the mentality for it.

By the time all of that coalesces, Jamison will be eyeing off retirement, Rowe will be 30 and White will be right at the bottom of any depth chart, as will Jones.

_________________
29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I am a critic of Henderson but I also think part of the reason he doesn't thrive as a forward is due to the midfield not dominating. He's not a gorilla KPP, struggles body on body both back and forward (down back he's best as a loose CHB reading the play). But certainly when the midfield dominates he can find space as a forward and tends to look better

Exactly. I'd hate to be a forward with this midfield. I still think he is better in defence.

_________________
#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

I agree

He would do a lot better at Hawthorn where he would get a lot more clean ball

Contested marking is not his strength

just goes to show that a quality midfield with depth is the key

I would definitely take weitering if available. But i am skeptical about the other big guy. From all reports weitering is special. If not than best mid to add to our depth.

Re: Yarran. My understanding is he is contracted with us until the end of 2016, at which time he becomes a FA.

So I guess if there is a trade deal on the table this year which is more than we anticipate getting from the AFL next year as FA compo, we should make the trade.

If we're not happy with what's on offer this year, he stays and we work to reconnecting him with the club over the next 12 months.

_________________
It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

Is there any 18 year olds from Narree Warren or Beaconsfield showing any promise?

Or we work with him JUST LIKE HIS NEW COACHES WOULD and turn him around. Mm did it last year. I get sick of all this reckless trade talk. Trade for who? Some other crap shoot draft pick . We should only trade if our players are being chased and we are being paid overs.

Why oh why are people still suggesting we recruit discards from other clubs, how many times do we need to go down this path and fail. Jarrad Grant, you're kidding, why would we want him? To help Jonesy out at the Nthn Blues? There will be better players in the ND than him, or than Carlisle, how about we concentrate on getting really good at drafting and avoid overpaying for players other clubs are happy to lose.

_________________
#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

x 2

Sorry gerry but you're dreaming if you think picks in the 70-100 range are likely to outperform Grant or Carlisle. That's the scenarios we're talking about.

_________________
29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

is that because it hasn't been done before or because they are high calibre performers?

they haven't really achieved an individual brilliance up to date jimmae

if we start to develop our youngsters and have a proper coaching environment there is no reason why every player we draft cannot become a sound performer for us
I do emphasise that we need to have the right coaching staff and team structures to allow development and leadership for the future. This involves team structures, individual strength and training for each player, leadership programs and responsibility programs, targeted skill, education and training programs ect

all this means is we need a very good teacher/coach/disciplinarian

Can't see us getting either Weitering of Schache.
Gold Coast are decimated by injury whilst the Lions are in tank mode - and are both a game and percentage behind us.
Schache has indicated that he would be happy to play for the Lions as his father played for them. The Lions would be sick of drafting players who have become homesick and must be salivating over a blue chip key forward prospect like Schache.
Gold Coast pick #1
Lions pick #2
Carlton pick #3

_________________
There is no footy god

Where did gerry say anything about picks 70-100? I agree with him about getting the crap from other sides. No more. It's now about going to the draft and getting those picks right. The earlier the better but you can still get very good players late or even as rookies.

I rather us try and get players that may be very good as opposed to players we know are average.

_________________
#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Yes correct with one qualification. Do not recruit players from bottom sides: Jones, Tutt, Mclean, Collins, Johnson.
There are exceptions( Docherty even Jaksch not writing him off yet) but compare that to: Judd, Everitt, Scotland, williams, Spalding

What's chances of Suns & Lions overlooking Weitering or Schache to go best mid?

Lions should opt for Schache, Suns have May, Thompson, Leslie, Day, Lynch, Gorringe & Dixon if he stays already in the young KPP category. Weitering could slip to 3. If Bennell goes they could opt for best mid

Gc will jump us. One of them have to win the q clash. And our % will be lower than both after sting hawthorn twice.
We play brisbane at the Gabba too.