Our new coach - 2016: Brendon Bolton - 25/8/15

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

GWS wrote:

If we got Simon Lloyd does Matthew instantly become a fan?

I'm not sure I could deal with that sort of weirdo world.

I think he'd become the first son of a Carlton player to coach Carlton.

kennyhunter · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:35 pm **Posts:** 2432

GWS wrote:

If we got Simon Lloyd does Matthew instantly become a fan?

I'm not sure I could deal with that sort of weirdo world.

His brother was a train wreck on the telly on Monday over, you guessed it, Essendon* and the Brisbane arm band jibe. Told flat out lies and Garry swallowed it, of course. As he does.

camel · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:59 am

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/b ... i1eiq.html

Quote:

"We have our own model that we will go down. We have come up with it, it has been ticked off by the board and that's the model we will go along with."

That quote is attributed to SOS in the context of the approach to our rebuild.

Does it concern anyone else that we seem to be going to a coach with a set of instructions on how to rebuild? As much as anyone else, shouldn't the new coach own the methodology employed for the rebuild?

Obviously the coach has to be on the same page as the footy department and the board, but I just hope the club isn't locking itself into a particular approach without accepting input and new ideas from prospective candidates.

We need outside influences. Clearly our methods over the last 20 years haven't been terribly effective. :razz:

Taff · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:52 am

camelboy wrote:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-put-the-call-into-possible-coaching-candidates-20150630-gi1eiq.html

Quote:

"We have our own model that we will go down. We have come up with it, it has been ticked off by the board and that's the model we will go along with."

That quote is attributed to SOS in the context of the approach to our rebuild.

Does it concern anyone else that we seem to be going to a coach with a set of instructions on how to rebuild? As much as anyone else, shouldn't the new coach own the methodology employed for the rebuild?

Obviously the coach has to be on the same page as the footy department and the board, but I just hope the club isn't locking itself into a particular approach without accepting input and new ideas from prospective candidates.

We need outside influences. Clearly our methods over the last 20 years haven't been terribly effective. :razz:

I would hope this is just corporate speak that they will have a plan. It would make sense also for the new coach to have input to that plan.

woof · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:51 am **Posts:** 4919

camelboy wrote:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-put-the-call-into-possible-coaching-candidates-20150630-gi1eiq.html

Quote:

"We have our own model that we will go down. We have come up with it, it has been ticked off by the board and that's the model we will go along with."

That quote is attributed to SOS in the context of the approach to our rebuild.

Does it concern anyone else that we seem to be going to a coach with a set of instructions on how to rebuild? As much as anyone else, shouldn't the new coach own the methodology employed for the rebuild?

Obviously the coach has to be on the same page as the footy department and the board, but I just hope the club isn't locking itself into a particular approach without accepting input and new ideas from prospective candidates.

We need outside influences. Clearly our methods over the last 20 years haven't been terribly effective. :razz:

This is Silvagni's plan and effectively Silvagni has the ultimate power within the club.
This is not new, our President told Robbo earlier this year that this is the case.
SOS has not been at the club for a while so that is outside as you are going to get.

Dominator_7 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:11 am

The good thing is, the better we play under Barker, the more attractive the job seems, and it ll be easier to lure across quality candidates.
Don't think we totally need to bottom out We are going to concentrate on building through the Draft (this has been repeated by Andy McKay and SOS many times), but don't necessarily need to get rid of all our quality and start again.
Don't remember Geelong bottoming out all those years ago, A combination of astute recruiting and good luck with Father Son picks helped them build a dynasty. Reckon SOS's model is closer to this road to success rather then the Pelchen stripping back the list way.

camel · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:15 am

And the first thing we'll tell him is how to do his job. :lol:

Punter22 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:24 am

Camel, i read it as being there's a collective agreement among key people at the club re: what's required for a sustainable rebuild. They are not going to hire a coach who is on a different page in terms of where the list is or how the list should be rebuilt. I've no doubt in terms of coaching/playing style philosophy the coach will have as much autonomy as any senior coach would expect. But they wouldn't want to hire a coach who wants to trade Murphy, Gibbs etc, if that's contrary to the plan put in place by SOS and Trigg.

I guess what they are looking to avoid is another Malthouse situation, to put it bluntly. i.e. the messiah has arrived let's all fall down for them. The coach will be one part of a team of senior football people driving the agenda.

I'm just happy they appear to be operating in a cohesive, orderly manner. Refreshing change.

camel · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:31 am

Yeah, that's a fair way of looking at I guess. I hope that's right. :thumbsup:

Bluey44 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:43 am

Punter22 wrote:

Camel, i read it as being there's a collective agreement among key people at the club re: what's required for a sustainable rebuild. They are not going to hire a coach who is on a different page in terms of where the list is or how the list should be rebuilt. I've no doubt in terms of coaching/playing style philosophy the coach will have as much autonomy as any senior coach would expect. But they wouldn't want to hire a coach who wants to trade Murphy, Gibbs etc, if that's contrary to the plan put in place by SOS and Trigg.

I guess what they are looking to avoid is another Malthouse situation, to put it bluntly. i.e. the messiah has arrived let's all fall down for them. The coach will be one part of a team of senior football people driving the agenda.

I'm just happy they appear to be operating in a cohesive, orderly manner. Refreshing change.

And meanwhile... Andy McKay nods vigorously and agrees with everything?

Punter22 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:48 am

Bluey44 wrote:

Punter22 wrote:

Camel, i read it as being there's a collective agreement among key people at the club re: what's required for a sustainable rebuild. They are not going to hire a coach who is on a different page in terms of where the list is or how the list should be rebuilt. I've no doubt in terms of coaching/playing style philosophy the coach will have as much autonomy as any senior coach would expect. But they wouldn't want to hire a coach who wants to trade Murphy, Gibbs etc, if that's contrary to the plan put in place by SOS and Trigg.

I guess what they are looking to avoid is another Malthouse situation, to put it bluntly. i.e. the messiah has arrived let's all fall down for them. The coach will be one part of a team of senior football people driving the agenda.

I'm just happy they appear to be operating in a cohesive, orderly manner. Refreshing change.

And meanwhile... Andy McKay nods vigorously and agrees with everything?

Give him a chance. He'll be in charge of monitoring footy dept stationery supplies, ordering the lunches and and keeping the contact list of player agents up to date. these tasks don't complete themselves, you know. :lol:

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18023

camelboy wrote:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-put-the-call-into-possible-coaching-candidates-20150630-gi1eiq.html

Quote:

"We have our own model that we will go down. We have come up with it, it has been ticked off by the board and that's the model we will go along with."

That quote is attributed to SOS in the context of the approach to our rebuild.

Does it concern anyone else that we seem to be going to a coach with a set of instructions on how to rebuild? As much as anyone else, shouldn't the new coach own the methodology employed for the rebuild?

Obviously the coach has to be on the same page as the footy department and the board, but I just hope the club isn't locking itself into a particular approach without accepting input and new ideas from prospective candidates.

We need outside influences. Clearly our methods over the last 20 years haven't been terribly effective. :razz:

I think its a great approach CB.
This is a post I put up a couple of months ago.

Quote:

Put the structure in place first and then engage the correct personnel to fill the roles. Interview a strong list of candidates, not a select few.
Who would have known Luke Beveridge would have jumped out of the woodwork?

We need to get past the messiah complex and back a strong football department in to bring results. A department that defines meaningful roles and spreads the responsibility and knowledge. Not a department that puts all of it's faith in one person.

We have to learn from past mistakes. Bringing in Pagan and Malthouse and letting them dictate the total structure and approach was a disaster.
Mick was never going to implement a strong leadership program because he doesn't want strong personalities.
The club has to set the agenda for what makes a successful organisation (with external input) and they have to implement the programmes and structures to give ourselves the best opportunity.
No egos, no protecting territory. Everyone working in the same direction. A culture of wanting the develop the best people and utilise them instead of fearing that improvement.

Once we have the structure and direction in place, you populate those roles with the best people. Its a structure Ive been banging on about for ages and it's great to see the club finally taking the initiative.

Paddycripps · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 4435

Punter22 wrote:

Camel, i read it as being there's a collective agreement among key people at the club re: what's required for a sustainable rebuild. They are not going to hire a coach who is on a different page in terms of where the list is or how the list should be rebuilt. I've no doubt in terms of coaching/playing style philosophy the coach will have as much autonomy as any senior coach would expect. But they wouldn't want to hire a coach who wants to trade Murphy, Gibbs etc, if that's contrary to the plan put in place by SOS and Trigg.

I guess what they are looking to avoid is another Malthouse situation, to put it bluntly. i.e. the messiah has arrived let's all fall down for them. The coach will be one part of a team of senior football people driving the agenda.

I'm just happy they appear to be operating in a cohesive, orderly manner. Refreshing change.

This

Paddycripps · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 4435

Blue Vain wrote:

camelboy wrote:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-put-the-call-into-possible-coaching-candidates-20150630-gi1eiq.html

Quote:

"We have our own model that we will go down. We have come up with it, it has been ticked off by the board and that's the model we will go along with."

That quote is attributed to SOS in the context of the approach to our rebuild.

Does it concern anyone else that we seem to be going to a coach with a set of instructions on how to rebuild? As much as anyone else, shouldn't the new coach own the methodology employed for the rebuild?

Obviously the coach has to be on the same page as the footy department and the board, but I just hope the club isn't locking itself into a particular approach without accepting input and new ideas from prospective candidates.

We need outside influences. Clearly our methods over the last 20 years haven't been terribly effective. :razz:

I think its a great approach CB.
This is a post I put up a couple of months ago.

Quote:

Put the structure in place first and then engage the correct personnel to fill the roles. Interview a strong list of candidates, not a select few.
Who would have known Luke Beveridge would have jumped out of the woodwork?

We need to get past the messiah complex and back a strong football department in to bring results. A department that defines meaningful roles and spreads the responsibility and knowledge. Not a department that puts all of it's faith in one person.

We have to learn from past mistakes. Bringing in Pagan and Malthouse and letting them dictate the total structure and approach was a disaster.
Mick was never going to implement a strong leadership program because he doesn't want strong personalities.
The club has to set the agenda for what makes a successful organisation (with external input) and they have to implement the programmes and structures to give ourselves the best opportunity.
No egos, no protecting territory. Everyone working in the same direction. A culture of wanting the develop the best people and utilise them instead of fearing that improvement.

Once we have the structure and direction in place, you populate those roles with the best people. Its a structure Ive been banging on about for ages and it's great to see the club finally taking the initiative.

And this too.

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

Playing lineage needs John Kennedy Snr.

camel · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:49 pm

Thanks for your reply BV, which makes good sense. :thumbsup:

I guess I'm just hoping there's some middle ground there. Of course the club needs to have bigger plan in place and then has to set about finding the right coach to help achieve its goals. And I certainly don't want an autocratic Pagan/Malthouse type, I just don't want the club to be too fixed in its methodology at this stage.

Get the coach on board, let him tweak a few things here and there in conjunction with the right people, and then get the Pres/CEO/coach singing from the same hymn sheet.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Yeah I see it as the club and the new coaching selection panel setting parameters and kpi's then choosing the most suitable coach to achieve that.

grrofunger · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:44 pm

It's Barkers to lose

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:45 pm

grrofunger wrote:

It's Barkers to lose

Still a way to go right now he is the front runner but the team could just as easily fall back to it's old ways and then he is no hope
12 games can be both good and bad for Barker to prove himself

grrofunger · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:47 pm

So far he has impressed the right people.

Yes long way to go hence 'his to lose'

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