Imagine being last with no Murphy, Gibbs or Kennedy, what makes you think these guys would have hung around in a club that allows unfit players to booze up during the season. Any decent players who are looking to play finals won't hang around the rat pack that we had. Judd's leadership is not about his communication, it was about showing the young guys what it takes to be a professional athlete i.e what you eat and don't eat, how you train, how you should arrive back from offseason etc.

We had players booze up last year????? And have had that right through Judd being at Carlton and Murph Gibbs etc. stayed?? Not sure what your saying. End of the day the path we chose didn't work and I would prefer to be watching Kennedy at Carlton than Judd winning Brownlows..............

As if Kennedy would have been this good in our set up.

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Congratulations CK95

And, as if Kennedy would've stayed anyway. How many knees in the head from Fev in the F50 do you think he could've taken before pissing off during his first contract negotiation. Home to WA in a flash.

Then we'd have no Kennedy, no Judd, and Fev still gone.

We may have made it to 19th by now.



(That's 19th on the ladder, not 19th flag, btw).

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yet we are last and [REDACTED] so I'd think the Judd deal was a bust.
the rest is just imagination.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

We are bust-ton.

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dane's trolling again

com-bust-ton?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

you're the wordsmith

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Kennedy wouldn't be half the player he is now if he had stayed at the blues. I'm sure he would have floundered and been pissed on by the supporters, you know, the way he actually was in his first few years with us, much like Henderson and Jacksh now.

The conversation is like a cows opinion it doesn't matter, it's a moo point.

Way too tall tag effectively

Way too early to judge someone like Jaksch yet. McKay said over summer, still needing 6-10kg, he'd be initially played as a 3rd tall in defence to help his development before becoming a forward. Some haven't learnt the lesson of judging talls, knowing time and again they take quite a few years. Whiley and Boekhorst are essentially extras as we didn't lose a pick at all, just went back 12 places. If Jaksch turns out he'll be worth pick 7 alone. Whiley will end up ok. He's a ball magnet and can be used as such now Malthouse has gone. What a genius, first game with the club and he's forced to tag the likes of Pendlebury.

Juddy was enormous for us, not his fault that we wasted so many picks and failed to create a team around him. The choice we had was either pick one or JK. We kept pick one and got big K who unluckily has had loads of injury. Also we ended up with jacobs hampson warnock and big k as underdeveloped rucks. In retrospect we should have kept jk and drafted less rucks. We didn't and i suspect by the time jk finishes his career we won't have got near a flag anyway.

Especially if they were zippy half forward flankers

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

The hero-worship that is going on here for Judd is exactly why the trade was a big bust.

It served the purposes of a clueless organisation like the CFC to bring in a messiah for the fans to worship, with no thought to a long term, strategic plan for our club going forward. It was all a distraction, as was MM and DT.

And we've all fallen for it

He is one of the greatest players of all time, but so were Baldock, Flower, Hawkins et al

I want to idolise a team, not some false god

And let's not kid ourselves...CJ has helped himself to MORE than his fair share of the CFC purse (probably at the expense of Betts and Grigg* to name two)

*Not a real fan of Grigg

18 is the new number....that's the age of all our picks over the next couple of years

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Just wondering...what quick fixes have we ever tried?

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dane's trolling again

Given his contribution v everyone elses, he should have been getting about 80% of the cap. How is his contribution / $ versus Thomas or Warnock? The problem was with all our picks we should have developed a premiership side but didn't. If we had kept jacobs, given wce pick 1 and retained JK maybe we wd have got closer, but good decisions is not our thing. The problem is not Judd, it is all the other decisions we made. The irony is that if free agency was in when judd came back to vic hevwd have got to the hawks or pies and they wd have given up zilch.

agreed.

Its not juddy's fault that the club flowered up nearly every pick they've had since he arrived. we've had plenty of chances to bring quality in, and stuffed it at every turn

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Thomas and Warnock are also a part of the problem with Carlton

Judd was seen as a saviour. period. I don't want saviours. I want to see my team win, not just cheer for one superstar.

Those flowering idiots who thought that Judd, Fev, Murph, Gibbs and Kruezer would take us to #17 are to blame

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Let's face it, Judd choosing us was a huge opportunity for the club to get out of the mire and become a force again

however, as some have stated we completely stuffed up recruitment and player development before and since he arrived

we had ample opportunities with early draft picks to build a premiership team

the club hasn't been good enough and has nothing to do with the trade for Judd

do you really think players like Kennedy and Masten would have made any difference