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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:48 pm 
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Looks like it's happened. Was inevitable I suppose.
Had to be done.
Now let's pray for a "legitimate" rival ticket to the board to appear.
I won't be re-newing my membership until this current board is gone, pretty sure I'm not alone.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:49 pm 
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People have every right to feel aggrieved at the Board but ultimately Mick is responsible for the football side of this operation. He reconstructed the list to fit his vision and now has to stand by the consequences. Who can honestly say that he has taken us forward vis-à-vis our list. We were a team that had leg speed and could move the ball quickly. Remember he said he was seduced by our highs and wanted to address the lows. He tried to force a game plan that didn't suit our list. Moved on talented players (especially in the forward half) without replacing them and has left us a rabble. He shares the lionshare of the blame. He has denigrated the club publicly by declaring that talented assistant coaches and free agents don't want to come to us. I thought that was part of the reason we brought him in. Blame the Board by all means but I think they are acting in the best interests of the club in moving him on -- it simply hasn't worked and now that Mick has his record, he has no interest in being part of the train wreck he in large part created.


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:50 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
the afl would have to step in and flip for the bill, surely?


You'd think so, not much ready coin at the CFC at the minute.

Actually, if the Bombers still owe the AFL that $2 million fine, I hope the AFL garnishees part of that fine cash straight from Essendon* and directs them to pay it the CFC to payout it's coach. Ya know, just to increase the hurt factor for them. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:51 pm 
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Mick Malthouse has been summoned from match committee meeting to the boss's office ...


I'm starting to get a sense they might be about to sack him.

Just a feeling.

Sometimes I sense things before they happen.

Anyone else picking up on this...?


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:51 pm 
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Zeemond wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
way too much hysteria on this thread.

For what he was brought in to do, malthouse failed and failed badly. If anything he is lucky to be given through to round 11 for a 'decision'.

As for comments about his wife/family - they are irrelevant. There have been very very few (if any) posts or news articles etc that have mentioned his family in a negative light. It's an issue malthouse raises on occasion as a herring, nothing more. AFL coaches are in high profile gigs and are extremely well renumerated as a result (too well) - pressure is part of the job. If it the family can't handle the pressure of a 500k-1mill/annum job, walk away.

Board was in a tough spot (self imposed). They could either
- sack mick immediately (and deal with the fall out of 'disrespecting a legend')
- wait till the end of the year (and lose $$$/members etc)
- or put a definite time frame on things as they have now (still going to cop flack but nowhere near as much as the other 2 options).

We all know the board is inadequate - however for all the bleating on here (particularly those that have connections/know people at the club), how many of you have actually done anything about it? (And no, I don't consider whinging to a board member/random at the club isn't doing anything about it)


See, I don't get the dissing of someone just because they are "well remunerated". What the hell does that have to do with it?

His record with us is poor. We know that. The club is in a diabolical state - not all his doing. Why is it that we get successful coaches to walk in our doors only to leave in embarrassment? Pagan, and now Malthouse. They are proven premiership coaches. Did they deliver the club squat, or did the club deliver them squat?

It wouldn't matter if we got Clarkson, Longmire or Ross Lyon right now. We'd still be bleak. But if you are going to terminate, then do it with dignity and honour. Not with ridicule and shame.


You might note that I havent dissed malthouse - just stated that he has underperformed.

The well renumerated aspect of it relates back to everytime mick (or someone else in the media) raises the issue of the impact that all the speculation has on their families. It is a non-issue.

Every AFL coach is extremely well paid - part of this renumeration is due to the associated media/supporter/club pressures that are expected should they not be performing. If you take the money, dont go complaining about all the pressure that comes with the job. If the coach was performing, there would be no/minimal pressure.

Riducule and shame? pffft....

Lets face it - there is no dignified way to sack a coach. The only way to have a dignified exit is for him to coach out the contract and leave at the end of the year - however in order to do so one of two things would need to have happened
- mick says at the start of the year that he intends to retire and this will be his last year
- the team performs well enough that there isnt the speculation as to whether or not he is the right man for the job.

Neither has happened. So given the above, what dignified exit would you have proposed?


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:51 pm 
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Mick must of had a big office...

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:52 pm 
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Nice $600 k payout for Mick.


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:53 pm 
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Bluey44 wrote:
I'm sure we can find the cash

Someone with deep pockets will be happy to pay to see Mick off, I'm sure.

As long as the AFL approves the football department spending cap exemption


Really, the board should throw the hat around, they made the bed, they lie in it! I'm serious.


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:54 pm 
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fjanyc wrote:
People have every right to feel aggrieved at the Board but ultimately Mick is responsible for the football side of this operation. He reconstructed the list to fit his vision and now has to stand by the consequences. Who can honestly say that he has taken us forward vis-à-vis our list. We were a team that had leg speed and could move the ball quickly. Remember he said he was seduced by our highs and wanted to address the lows. He tried to force a game plan that didn't suit our list. Moved on talented players (especially in the forward half) without replacing them and has left us a rabble. He shares the lionshare of the blame. He has denigrated the club publicly by declaring that talented assistant coaches and free agents don't want to come to us. I thought that was part of the reason we brought him in. Blame the Board by all means but I think they are acting in the best interests of the club in moving him on -- it simply hasn't worked and now that Mick has his record, he has no interest in being part of the train wreck he in large part created.


That's how I feel

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:54 pm 
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All of this highlights the lack of professionalism by the board in the way they have been conducting themselves.
Unfortunately they ran into a football personality much bigger than themselves.
He was no Hughes or Rogers or Ratten.
This is not finished..
Lol
Personally I love it!
We've been dragged through the mud for decades now people don't like it.. All this is.. Is everything we have been through magnified into two months.
It's amplified the state of the club and the people running it.
It's more a reflection on who we are than Mick.

I say let it be and let's hope it leads to change

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:56 pm 
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Don't focus on the Mick v board debate as Carlton people.
It's lunacy.
Focus on what we have become and why

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:59 pm 
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Anyone remember our botched attempt to sack Pagan back in 2006? Different board members, but equally incompetent. May not be over yet.


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:00 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
Yeah losing betts had nothing to do with mick, he's never to blame, and Thomas is an outstanding player


Losing betts isnt the real issue - if he was gone, then so be it.

The issue is thomas - why was he picked up. IF we were looking to push up the ladder to contend then fine. If we were rebuilding, then it was a shit list management decision, particularly given the injury concerns over thomas in the 2 years prior.

The thomas acquisition cost us an end of 1st round compo pick (if not better).


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:01 pm 
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bosman wrote:
Mick must of had a big office...

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What, so now Lance Whitnall is the interim coach?

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:01 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
Anyone remember our botched attempt to sack Pagan back in 2006? Different board members, but equally incompetent. May not be over yet.


Thanks for the reminder.
That was really embarrassing for Kerna, but he survived.
They both did.

There was no alternatives. They survived.

We need strong alternatives. Waiting......

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:03 pm 
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GWS wrote:
camelboy wrote:
mickwarner @heraldsunmick
Mick Malthouse has been summoned from match committee meeting to the boss's office ...


I'm starting to get a sense they might be about to sack him.

Just a feeling.

Sometimes I sense things before they happen.

Anyone else picking up on this...?


Sauce?

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:04 pm 
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Meeting btw Trigg and MM finished. All coaches now in with Trigg and MM.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:08 pm 
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Tony Abbott says give Mick a chance

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