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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 3:18 pm 
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Harry Vallence

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All,
You can post a million messages on here, but unless the club reads these posts here, then it is wasted.

Email the club your disgust. Tell them it is either mick goes or your membership next yr. We need to get rid of mick now! I sent a long email to them before and if it has some effect then great. I am sure if the club knows they will have lot of memberships not renewed this wk, they might rethink malthouse staying until end of year or past this wk.

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It is sad you have to email the club to make them make the right decisions. The club cannot survive without members, so speak up and hopefully mm is gonsky this week!! Please email the club!


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 3:20 pm 
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I emailed Trigg last week, whilst the response was prompt, I almost wished he hadn't replied.


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 3:23 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
I emailed Trigg last week, whilst the response was prompt, I almost wished he hadn't replied.


I sent something 2 weeks ago where I simply asked some questions and thought my comments were fair and balanced. Got a thank youfrom his executive secretary.

Like you I wished they hadn't bothered.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 3:26 pm 
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I more or less asked him how the club expects us to trust the people (board etc) who ruined this club to fix it. He more or less replied as if I was blaming him even though Id said in my email I know he inherited most of this mess & it was not his doing. He did CC his response to Jay Allen & SOS - but what was hilarious was when I replied to Trigg I got an automatic reply from SOS saying his mail box was full haha


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 3:26 pm 
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Better to have Loguidice, Gleesons, Pratts, Mathiesons et al email address's :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 4:43 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
Better to have Loguidice, Gleesons, Pratts, Mathiesons et al email address's :wink:


+1

Trigg is just an employee. For all we know, he probably agrees with the sentiment of the supporters. On the other hand, the ivory tower folk...NFI

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 4:49 pm 
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Trigg might be an employee, but he is the one given KPIs and goals by the board to execute. That said, he hasn't really had much of a chance to drive organisational change just yet.

He's clearly doing plenty to change the culture with staff cuts and reviews, but time will tell how astute he has been when it comes to bringing in new people. He needs another 18 months to see out his own plans, assuming they're not completely stupid.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 5:15 pm 
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Good idea, I just sent a message, my second one. Don't know what else we can do really, other than not turning up to games which I think is the best way to go right now.


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 6:25 pm 
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So the person the board chose to put in charge must be sacked and replaced by another person the board puts in charge or you're gone?

Lol

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 6:35 pm 
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Exactly Sinners. I mean Synners.


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 7:36 pm 
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Axing Mick is simply more of the same and allows the perpetrators to get off scott free. Our Pres was on the board when the appointment was made. If he now sacks him, he's telling us he has no faith - in his own decisions!

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 7:56 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
So the person the board chose to put in charge must be sacked and replaced by another person the board puts in charge or you're gone?

Lol

Funny

The board is never going to change overnight.

But, hopefully we can get rid of the coach. Obviously the overall plan is to get rid of the board of muppets. But one thing first, get rid of the Muppet the players don't listen to and play for first.

Carlton are expected to loss 200k due to the poor gate attendances yesterday.
Carlton loses only 5000 members and they lose probably 3-4 million in a season.

If the club know they will lose thousands of memberships, then they will buckle and get rid of the immediate problem. But, if you don't email or let the club know, then the muppet leading the club will likely stand by his strong word in the media again today.

I asked Carlton membership to untick the auto renew option and stated l won't be buying a membership while Malthouse is there. I am joining the non membership group like synbad. I hope a number of others do the same if things don't change. A club is not a charity foundation.

I want the club to either come out and say we are not re-signing malthouse and starting the search publicly or sack him immediately. I don't understand the political game they are playing. But, if he doesn't go, then losing 200k every match day will send us bankrupt! Keeping him around gives supporters no sign of hope. Same sh!t different game under MM


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 8:10 pm 
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Malthouse no matter how much the players say they like him has certainly not got the best out of them.Aboriginal players particularly have not performed well under him Betts clearly is a huge loss Yarram has not played nearly as up to his potential.

Mick in fact is an unmitigated disaster for the Blues and should go immediately!


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 8:13 pm 
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anthopides wrote:
Malthouse no matter how much the players say they like him has certainly not got the best out of them.Aboriginal players particularly have not performed well under him Betts clearly is a huge loss Yarram has not played nearly as up to his potential.

Mick in fact is an unmitigated disaster for the Blues and should go immediately!


Only coach to get the best out of Gibbs if it was only for 1 year, but then again, players always seem to perform better when contract negotiations are on...

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 9:16 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
Synbad wrote:
So the person the board chose to put in charge must be sacked and replaced by another person the board puts in charge or you're gone?

Lol

Funny

The board is never going to change overnight.

But, hopefully we can get rid of the coach. Obviously the overall plan is to get rid of the board of muppets. But one thing first, get rid of the Muppet the players don't listen to and play for first.

Carlton are expected to loss 200k due to the poor gate attendances yesterday.
Carlton loses only 5000 members and they lose probably 3-4 million in a season.

If the club know they will lose thousands of memberships, then they will buckle and get rid of the immediate problem. But, if you don't email or let the club know, then the muppet leading the club will likely stand by his strong word in the media again today.

I asked Carlton membership to untick the auto renew option and stated l won't be buying a membership while Malthouse is there. I am joining the non membership group like synbad. I hope a number of others do the same if things don't change. A club is not a charity foundation.

I want the club to either come out and say we are not re-signing malthouse and starting the search publicly or sack him immediately. I don't understand the political game they are playing. But, if he doesn't go, then losing 200k every match day will send us bankrupt! Keeping him around gives supporters no sign of hope. Same sh!t different game under MM


I don't disagree but I think the message needs to emphasize the culpability of the Board in where we are at.

Synners is right. Letting this Board get rid of the coach when they made the decision to appoint is stupid.

I would love to see the constitution standing orders suspended on the issue of the Board & it's future. Wouldn't it be fantastic for them to come out and say you know what we as a Board take full responsibility for this. Announce a complete spill for Later in the year, let anyone nominate provided they buy a specially priced 2015-16 membership & let all members (including new members) vote. That's what we need. If properly & genuinely done it will bring many back and deliver a Board & President that truly deserves our support.

I expect to be howled done but this is really the only way out as far as I can see.


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 9:53 pm 
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Blues21 wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
Synbad wrote:
So the person the board chose to put in charge must be sacked and replaced by another person the board puts in charge or you're gone?

Lol

Funny

The board is never going to change overnight.

But, hopefully we can get rid of the coach. Obviously the overall plan is to get rid of the board of muppets. But one thing first, get rid of the Muppet the players don't listen to and play for first.

Carlton are expected to loss 200k due to the poor gate attendances yesterday.
Carlton loses only 5000 members and they lose probably 3-4 million in a season.

If the club know they will lose thousands of memberships, then they will buckle and get rid of the immediate problem. But, if you don't email or let the club know, then the muppet leading the club will likely stand by his strong word in the media again today.

I asked Carlton membership to untick the auto renew option and stated l won't be buying a membership while Malthouse is there. I am joining the non membership group like synbad. I hope a number of others do the same if things don't change. A club is not a charity foundation.

I want the club to either come out and say we are not re-signing malthouse and starting the search publicly or sack him immediately. I don't understand the political game they are playing. But, if he doesn't go, then losing 200k every match day will send us bankrupt! Keeping him around gives supporters no sign of hope. Same sh!t different game under MM


I don't disagree but I think the message needs to emphasize the culpability of the Board in where we are at.

Synners is right. Letting this Board get rid of the coach when they made the decision to appoint is stupid.

I would love to see the constitution standing orders suspended on the issue of the Board & it's future. Wouldn't it be fantastic for them to come out and say you know what we as a Board take full responsibility for this. Announce a complete spill for Later in the year, let anyone nominate provided they buy a specially priced 2015-16 membership & let all members (including new members) vote. That's what we need. If properly & genuinely done it will bring many back and deliver a Board & President that truly deserves our support.

I expect to be howled done but this is really the only way out as far as I can see.

Sure the board didnt go through an interview process with MM, but even if they did he would of got the gig. if they did and we got a untried coach, then we would be blaming the board if that failed too. So blaming this on the board entirely is a bit unreasonable. Ratten was going to be sacked no matter what and wouldn't of been resigned. I think at that point in time, the board made the right decision, but an interview process would of been good, instead of the red carpet treatment he got. The board have other reasons to go.

For now, just focus on getting rid of MM. Not the board crap. Malthouse's time at Carlton reminds me so much of Mark Neeld. Ofcourse, Neeld would of followed his mentor on how to run a club when he went to Melbourne. Same result in the end. Ironic. I am hoping to god that the president is being so strong in his msg to buy time for MM to announce his retirement.

If you don't want malthouse there all year, then let the club know. Msging here does F_All. Make a difference


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:35 pm 
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There are only two types of coaches, or so I'm told.

Those that have been sacked and those who are about to be sacked.

'The Dark Knight' put a good spin on it, too, when Harvey Dent offered the cautionary tale of best intentions corrupted by time, incompetence, meddling or something other, "you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

Mick's tenure at the Carlton Football Club has become a morbid death watch. You don't need to examine the tea leaves to glimpse the future, either. We all know how it's going to end; we even have a fair idea when. No later than 7pm, Sunday the 6th of September.

He'll not get another contract. Nor should he, given the extraordinary way he has us playing. Losing based on talent I can accept, but losing because we're tactically and structurally outwitted every week is something I refuse to cop. We're incapable of playing the fast break, slingshot style of football every decent team plays, and I don't believe that's purely down to a deficiency in talent.

We're so bad we can't create more than one or two lead up, hit up opportunities each and every week.

Several of our players, some of whom are our better players, look lost. The wander around the field looking as though they're not sure what they're meant to do next.

Given the context of our season and yesterday's crowd (our lowest in 10 years the papers and press guffawed) if the next two games go the way we fear - and all accept they will, lets be honest - we should have a new coach by our next home game, Round 10 v Adelaide.

Mick leaves, new man comes in (I like Barker for the role in the short term, plus he's been one of the first to be undertaking those European-style coaching badges, which validates the scheme as far as the AFL is concerned) and we get a little bit of a pep-up in preparation for a game we need people to attend.

It's an economic reality that we cannot continue with Mick. It's not his salary - though we'll not be paying a coach anywhere near that figure in the foreseeable future - it's the effect our form and the cumulative dark cloud of press rhetoric and supporter disgust/disinterest has on the bottom line.

Members don't sign up because of him. Fans don't go to games because of the way the team is traveling. All other money making avenues take a hit because of it. Losing, simply, costs us too much money.

The club has to build a story around that round 10 match and beyond, a compelling reason to attend and invest in the club, and that story is contingent upon change. Whether the interim coach inspires wins is kind of immaterial. What he has to inspire is a product worth being bought. At the moment nothing about Carlton - memberships, event packages, merchandise, match tickets - is particularly attractive. This can be done via very simple PR.

Our new coach must be the antithesis of Mick: Young and personable. He'll be issued a mandate to back youth, to play the kids, to encourage attractive and imaginative football. He'll sit in front of the press and make a commitment to the fans, telling us the kids, who he'll name, will get their chance under him. He'll tell us to be patient, but change is in the air.

He has to be the one delivering the message, not that lame duck LoGuidice. The club is fortunate few journos have the care or wherewithal to go after him. He's hopeless and shouldn't be delivering key messages.

"I want us to play exciting, direct football." We don't do that now.

"I want to blend youth with experience, I want to see what these kids can do and will give them the chance to prove their quality." We don't do that now.

"I want to see us kick goals and move the ball quickly. I want my players to back themselves and take risks." We don't do that now.

"I have faith in my players to win one-on-ones, which can create opportunities for us." We don't do that now. We tag everyone. Few of our players have purely offensive tasks.

Suddenly the product changes. Suddenly there's a slight, barely perceptible silver lining running along the contours of that dark, black cloud. Fans are intriugued as to how we'll go, the heavy weight is lifted off our shoulders and we are a team worth supporting.

I accept this fails to address the gluttony and utter amateurish nature of our board, but it's at least one step in the right direction.

If our season follows the script, 11:30pm on the night of May 29, 2015 could well offer the chance for change. Those in charge will just have to seize it.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:56 pm 
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If you want reply, forget email.
Send a letter addressed personally to whoever it is you want to contact.
Generally this will be taken more seriously than the hundreds/thousands of emails they may get.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:07 pm 
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Ah yes, the "I can hold it in my hand so it has more meaning and gravitas" rule of correspondence. :P

Someone should print out all the e-mails then. Or does Judd take his environmental ambassador role very seriously, and eyes off anyone who overuses the club office printer?

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:10 pm 
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All,
You can post a million messages on here, but unless the club reads these posts here, then it is wasted.

Email the club your disgust. Tell them it is either mick goes or your membership next yr. We need to get rid of mick now! I sent a long email to them before and if it has some effect then great. I am sure if the club knows they will have lot of memberships not renewed this wk, they might rethink malthouse staying until end of year or past this wk.

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It is sad you have to email the club to make them make the right decisions. The club cannot survive without members, so speak up and hopefully mm is gonsky this week!! Please email the club!


It is sad that you think the club's problem is due to the coach


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