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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 11:31 am 
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Pfft, air bud. Ghey. Soccer Dog was the shit. Let's get him involved

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 11:40 am 
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jimmae wrote:
In: Yarran, Simpson, Menzel, Jamison

Out: Walker (not fit), Whiley (not fit), Jones (not fit), Rowe (not agile enough)

If Kreuzer was fit I'd bring him in for Smith or Buckley.

FB: Docherty Jamison Tuohy
HB: Yarran Jaksch Simpson
CC: Gibbs Murphy Bell
HF: Boekhorst Everitt Thomas
FF: Menzel Casboult Buckley

RR: Wood Cripps Judd

Int: Curnow Graham Armfield
Sub: Smith

- Buckley must play FP/HF/Wing
- Everitt can be the third tall defender if we need one
- Casboult to play permanent forward; Wood vs Mumford with assistance from Everitt/Cripps/Gibbs in 3rd man up.


How would you know Whiley is not fit enough?
He runs where is opponent runs to under instruction. IMHO, it's ridiculous playing a bloke as a tagger when his lead in games were hunting the ball in the VFL. He won the ball well, created well and used the ball very well in the VFL. Then he's bought into the AFL and told to shut down the oppositions best player. :?

We have far too many players at the moment who are second guessing every contest. Apart from our midfield, our structures are non existent. There's no semblance of a team defence. The players get the ball only when they have to and kick the shit out of it to give themselves a moments respite. Our forwards are making it up as they go.
Once players are resistant to involving themselves for fear of failure, the jig is up. And to amplify the problem, players are being abused for making errors when trying to create.

I have never seen AFL players so unsure of their role and so resistant to involvement. We need players who have a competitive instinct. The current environment is totally counterproductive to that.

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 11:48 am 
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I see it as ridiculous to expect a young player to be proficient in a number of roles (versatile) before they've excelled at 1 role.

No wonder players play confused and second guess themselves.

Not smart coaching IMO.


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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 11:52 am 
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I am of the mind to question the use of the word coaching.

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 11:59 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
How would you know Whiley is not fit enough?
He runs where is opponent runs to under instruction. IMHO, it's ridiculous playing a bloke as a tagger when his lead in games were hunting the ball in the VFL. He won the ball well, created well and used the ball very well in the VFL. Then he's bought into the AFL and told to shut down the oppositions best player. :?

We have far too many players at the moment who are second guessing every contest. Apart from our midfield, our structures are non existent. There's no semblance of a team defence. The players get the ball only when they have to and kick the shit out of it to give themselves a moments respite. Our forwards are making it up as they go.
Once players are resistant to involving themselves for fear of failure, the jig is up. And to amplify the problem, players are being abused for making errors when trying to create.

I have never seen AFL players so unsure of their role and so resistant to involvement. We need players who have a competitive instinct. The current environment is totally counterproductive to that.

I somewhat agree with your views on the coaching situation, but I'd like to highlight that they're very similar to the views you presented on Pagan.

Whiley was out of gas in the last. He wasn't alone, but I targeted more than a few names in those changes to reflect that.

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 12:01 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
In: Yarran, Simpson, Menzel, Jamison

Out: Walker (not fit), Whiley (not fit), Jones (not fit), Rowe (not agile enough)

If Kreuzer was fit I'd bring him in for Smith or Buckley.

FB: Docherty Jamison Tuohy
HB: Yarran Jaksch Simpson
CC: Gibbs Murphy Bell
HF: Boekhorst Everitt Thomas
FF: Menzel Casboult Buckley

RR: Wood Cripps Judd

Int: Curnow Graham Armfield
Sub: Smith

- Buckley must play FP/HF/Wing
- Everitt can be the third tall defender if we need one
- Casboult to play permanent forward; Wood vs Mumford with assistance from Everitt/Cripps/Gibbs in 3rd man up.


How would you know Whiley is not fit enough?
He runs where is opponent runs to under instruction. IMHO, it's ridiculous playing a bloke as a tagger when his lead in games were hunting the ball in the VFL. He won the ball well, created well and used the ball very well in the VFL. Then he's bought into the AFL and told to shut down the oppositions best player. :?



As true as it is frustrating, he does seem to be a natural ball winner.


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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 12:13 pm 
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I think Jones should be dropped and when Jamison comes back, Jaksch should be played up forward. It won't happen but Jaksch has the ability to stay in the game. Jones pops up once a quarter. When white comes back, he can play that 3rd tall roll.

A forward line of Casboult, Henderson and Jaksch makes more sense to me. Jaksh is so much more mobile than a stay at home defender, he should be able to run and use his athleticism. I even think Henderson should be a defender but I can understand why they feel they have to play him forward.

I don't care who they bring in this week but Jones has to go.

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 12:29 pm 
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I think Jones should be dropped and when Jamison comes back, Jaksch should be played up forward. It won't happen but Jaksch has the ability to stay in the game. Jones pops up once a quarter. When white comes back, he can play that 3rd tall roll.

A forward line of Casboult, Henderson and Jaksch makes more sense to me. Jaksh is so much more mobile than a stay at home defender, he should be able to run and use his athleticism. I even think Henderson should be a defender but I can understand why they feel they have to play him forward.

I don't care who they bring in this week but Jones has to go.


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Jones has to go.
Give either Watson or Jaksch a run up forward. At least they can mark overhead and are good kicks of the footy.

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 12:36 pm 
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4thchicken wrote:
Changes for next week

out - graham (didn't win the game in a 1/4), casboult (for not kicking straight enough), buckley (got subbed)
in - warnock (he is tall and needs a go), kreuzer (saviour), ellard (need more taggers)

Where have you been?
Yes, one easy miss but kicked 4 goals 2 behinds to be the biggest contributor on the scoreboard from both teams. Did you see Jones by any chance? Did you even watch the game?

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 12:42 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
kick the shit out of it to give themselves a moments respite. Our forwards are making it up as they go.
Once players are resistant to involving themselves for fear of failure, the jig is up. And to amplify the problem, players are being abused for making errors when trying to create.

I have never seen AFL players so unsure of their role and so resistant to involvement. We need players who have a competitive instinct. The current environment is totally counterproductive to that.


This sums it up. No idea what to do when in possession.

Will those that appointed MM be held accountable?

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 12:52 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
kick the shit out of it to give themselves a moments respite. Our forwards are making it up as they go.
Once players are resistant to involving themselves for fear of failure, the jig is up. And to amplify the problem, players are being abused for making errors when trying to create.

I have never seen AFL players so unsure of their role and so resistant to involvement. We need players who have a competitive instinct. The current environment is totally counterproductive to that.


This sums it up. No idea what to do when in possession.

Will those that appointed MM be held accountable?


Hence the bombing to nowhere in particular. There were at least half a dozen times where defenders were coming out of the backline and felt safer bombing 60m away to 3 on 1 on the wing rather than risking hitting a relatively simple target 20-30m away. The first couple of times I thought they were just poor decisions but by the end of the game I was convinced they were just too shit scared to make an error.


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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 12:56 pm 
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Blue Boots wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Changes for next week

out - graham (didn't win the game in a 1/4), casboult (for not kicking straight enough), buckley (got subbed)
in - warnock (he is tall and needs a go), kreuzer (saviour), ellard (need more taggers)

Where have you been?
Yes, one easy miss but kicked 4 goals 2 behinds to be the biggest contributor on the scoreboard from both teams. Did you see Jones by any chance? Did you even watch the game?

I think you might find there was a bit of parody at work here. ;)

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 12:58 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Blue Boots wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Changes for next week

out - graham (didn't win the game in a 1/4), casboult (for not kicking straight enough), buckley (got subbed)
in - warnock (he is tall and needs a go), kreuzer (saviour), ellard (need more taggers)

Where have you been?
Yes, one easy miss but kicked 4 goals 2 behinds to be the biggest contributor on the scoreboard from both teams. Did you see Jones by any chance? Did you even watch the game?

I think you might find there was a bit of parody at work here. ;)

whoosh!

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:00 pm 
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I just hope we keep playing the kids. That was a positive of yesterday. You can't beat game time experience.

It would just be nice to understand why Graham was a sub and Smith & Boekhurst played the whole game? Thomas as well.

There is no way any of those three are ready to handle a full game yet which is frustrating in itself. Same for Menzel. Guys like Graham, Walsh, Tutt and Holman are fit. Play them and please don't drop Buckley.

I just hope we don't go back to the older players and also don't rush Kruezer back.

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:01 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
I have never seen AFL players so unsure of their role and so resistant to involvement. We need players who have a competitive instinct. The current environment is totally counterproductive to that.




key word there is instinct.

i think malthouses biggest flaw coaching our list is; instinctual football has gone out the window. players are overthinking evrything in order to play to an outdated gameplan.

he's robbed them of their instincts.


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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:02 pm 
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I just hope we keep playing the kids. That was a positive of yesterday. You can't beat game time experience.

It would just be nice to understand why Graham was a sub and Smith & Boekhurst played the whole game? Thomas as well.

There is no way any of those three are ready to handle a full game yet which is frustrating in itself. Same for Menzel. Guys like Graham, Walsh, Tutt and Holman are fit. Play them and please don't drop Buckley.

I just hope we don't go back to the older players and also don't rush Kruezer back.

Playing the kids at the moment could be doing them more harm than good.

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:09 pm 
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There's not many left to play anyway. DVR is close but fitness is an issue, Holman is vanilla, Giles is injured, Dick is also vanilla, Foster isn't ready and the rest are on the rookie list.

We're playing all the kids that deserve to play, and then some.

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:13 pm 
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Who is the gorilla down at GWS bondi?

If ever there was a week not to play him, this would be it.



Good question, good point jimmae..

I'd say Cameron is too big for Jamison and therefore too big for Jaksch.
He's too agile for Rowe, and I dont know if Jammo will be available to play this week.
Nevertheless only Rowe has the weight for a body on body contest against a champion like Cameron.

We need 3 talls for this game. McCarthy is elusive too.

The question I have is whether we play for a win or to develop players, with the latter seemingly ridiculous 6 rounds in.

I'd stick with Rowe because we have Jammo and Hendo out, and Jaksch isnt quite AFL ready. It would be good for Jaksch to play against his old team despite looking shell shocked against Lions.

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:14 pm 
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I'd like to see this week:

B: Buckley Jamison Everitt
HB: Docherty Jaksch Yarran

Foll: Wood Judd Graham
C: Boekhurst Cripps Tuohy

HF: Bell Rowe Gibbs
F: Murphy Casboult Walker

Int: Curnow Thomas Whiley Holman

Smith to get more game time in 2's for fitness
Rowe & Casboult as big targets up forward with smalls underneath. Can both have time in ruck against Mumford
Walker as mobile forward
Mobile defence. Assuming Jamo fit to take on Cameron
Curnow on Shiel. Only tag. :grin:

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:15 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Blue Boots wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
Changes for next week

out - graham (didn't win the game in a 1/4), casboult (for not kicking straight enough), buckley (got subbed)
in - warnock (he is tall and needs a go), kreuzer (saviour), ellard (need more taggers)

Where have you been?
Yes, one easy miss but kicked 4 goals 2 behinds to be the biggest contributor on the scoreboard from both teams. Did you see Jones by any chance? Did you even watch the game?

I think you might find there was a bit of parody at work here. ;)

Haha.
Yeah well I don't know everyone on this site. Or everyone's posting styles.
Sometimes watching a game like what happened on Sunday can lead to people with posting styles similar to the way the Blues play. Off the radar.

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