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How would Emma go as our chief recruiter ?


Other recruiters would stop telling her stuff.

1. She's a reporter...

2. Do you think she doesn't have enough between the ears and enough passion to think her way through a problem?

When she sits down to do her analysis she might get some hints, but she's alone with the stats making calls about a game she probably barely ever played. Recruitment teams can barely operate an excel spreadsheet, but get magnificent generated data sets these days on all the junior players in major senior and U18 leagues.

Reading between the lines a bit here, your opinion belies your otherwise better judgement.

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brainsurgery.........

emma seems smart because were so dumb... not because shes actually super amazing..

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:05 pm 
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She's capable, resourceful, researches well and has leveraged expertise to do well for herself. Stop pissing on someone for doing their job well.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:32 pm 
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Didn't post this two weeks prior to the season happening - tried to dismiss it

Good mate and a senior offical (and past player) had many beers one Saturday night. There was a major concern about the cultural challenges the club were having. Over 6 months new President, CEO, CFO, Marketing guru and List manager. Words used '"it was looking ugly".

Point 1 of EQ's article resonates ie everyone being on the same page.

I don't think we can underestimate the impact of change that has taken place at the club this last 12 months.

We talk about the list, we talk about the coach, we talk about the board....

The club should take some credit for the changes to admin made.....it will take time to settle in as it does in any organisation...time will also tell whether those appointments were the right ones


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:57 pm 
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kennyhunter wrote:
Hey, OR, can I interrupt your Synbad take-down to get your take on Carlton 2015?

This "debate" (or lament) has been missing your input - probably no secret why - but I think plenty of posters would be interested in your perspective on the club/coach etc.


Hey Kenny,

Thanks.

I've clearly been distracted by the funny boy, my apologies.

No matter what I say it will be derided by the negative posts which will flow incessantly.

I've got clear views, insights and like many others, bias' about what's occurring & where we are at.

Like more and more on here I'm learning that it's best to say nothing, as it's no longer a forum for blues fans but more a site for being smashed.

Anyway, here goes.

I reckon we have 3+ years of mediocrity ahead. We also have the nucleus of a good team/admin and will turn it around.

Our drafting has been appalling, as has our development.

SOS is a step in the right direction, yes GWS had a shitload of 1st round picks but he knows what type of player can play the modern game. He'll be a big positive for the club. He doesn't have a massive ego and wants to rebuild to what we were. He was dismayed about the quality of the club vs GWS when he first arrived. Professional vs amateur.

Trigg - tainted by crows days but very good get for the club given where we are at. He's a communicator and knows how to engage with members. A good get.

Malthouse - I've been a big fan, but it's time for change. Not that he can't coach or get players up in an us vs them approach, but rather we need a new fresh approach/engagement with young fans or risk missing an entire generation. We play an old style of footy, players are being forced to play against their natural style.

LoGiudice - right man for the times. Loves the blues, the fans and success. Passionate and has worked his arse off since taking over from Sticks. Seriously well connected. Knows how to run a business, ruthless and yet has a good life balance. Given time he'll turn it around.

Mods, feel free to move or delete this post as you see fit.

Cheers

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:53 pm 
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Thanks OR.
Unfortunately, the quality of information/debate/insight here is mirroring that of our team.
TC have lost a few good players as well ...

Have heard SOS has been alarmed at the state of his old club.
And I think you are right about MM. Club knows it too.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:04 am 
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It's said that Sos had it easy up at gws because of all their first Rd picks, but as it be pens increasingly clear how far gws are ahead of gc, I think it shows Sos's credentials.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:17 am 
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jimmae wrote:
She's capable, resourceful, researches well and has leveraged expertise to do well for herself. Stop pissing on someone for doing their job well.


..no need to hire her.. ..just read her..


....these are the names she had for our first rounders these last bunch of years..

2014. Lachie Weller
2013. Patrick Cripps
2012. Troy Menzel
2011. Jordan Murdoch
2010. Mathew Watson
2009. Aaron Black

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:27 am 
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kennyhunter wrote:
Unfortunately, the quality of information/debate/insight here is mirroring that of our team.
TC have lost a few good players as well ...

I think you're overestimating the quality of the info you were getting post-Smorgon. ;)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:29 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
jimmae wrote:
She's capable, resourceful, researches well and has leveraged expertise to do well for herself. Stop pissing on someone for doing their job well.


..no need to hire her.. ..just read her..


....these are the names she had for our first rounders these last bunch of years..

2014. Lachie Weller
2013. Patrick Cripps
2012. Troy Menzel
2011. Jordan Murdoch
2010. Mathew Watson
2009. Aaron Black

Is that her Phantom Draft or her top 25 you're taking those from?

We could do much worse than hire people of EQ's mindset.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:38 am 
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jimmae wrote:
kennyhunter wrote:
Unfortunately, the quality of information/debate/insight here is mirroring that of our team.
TC have lost a few good players as well ...

I think you're overestimating the quality of the info you were getting post-Smorgon. ;)


You just concentrate on getting Ellard out of the team Jim :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:43 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
jimmae wrote:
She's capable, resourceful, researches well and has leveraged expertise to do well for herself. Stop pissing on someone for doing their job well.


..no need to hire her.. ..just read her..


....these are the names she had for our first rounders these last bunch of years..

2014. Lachie Weller
2013. Patrick Cripps
2012. Troy Menzel
2011. Jordan Murdoch
2010. Mathew Watson
2009. Aaron Black

Is that her Phantom Draft or her top 25 you're taking those from?

We could do much worse than hire people of EQ's mindset.


..I was searching her phantom drafts by the year on googles..

....you've got me questioning the article titles now..

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:44 am 
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..they were club by club picks from memory.. ..her guesses..

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:00 am 
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
kennyhunter wrote:
Hey, OR, can I interrupt your Synbad take-down to get your take on Carlton 2015?

This "debate" (or lament) has been missing your input - probably no secret why - but I think plenty of posters would be interested in your perspective on the club/coach etc.


Hey Kenny,

Thanks.

I've clearly been distracted by the funny boy, my apologies.

No matter what I say it will be derided by the negative posts which will flow incessantly.

I've got clear views, insights and like many others, bias' about what's occurring & where we are at.

Like more and more on here I'm learning that it's best to say nothing, as it's no longer a forum for blues fans but more a site for being smashed.

Anyway, here goes.

I reckon we have 3+ years of mediocrity ahead. We also have the nucleus of a good team/admin and will turn it around.

Our drafting has been appalling, as has our development.

SOS is a step in the right direction, yes GWS had a shitload of 1st round picks but he knows what type of player can play the modern game. He'll be a big positive for the club. He doesn't have a massive ego and wants to rebuild to what we were. He was dismayed about the quality of the club vs GWS when he first arrived. Professional vs amateur.

Trigg - tainted by crows days but very good get for the club given where we are at. He's a communicator and knows how to engage with members. A good get.

Malthouse - I've been a big fan, but it's time for change. Not that he can't coach or get players up in an us vs them approach, but rather we need a new fresh approach/engagement with young fans or risk missing an entire generation. We play an old style of footy, players are being forced to play against their natural style.

LoGiudice - right man for the times. Loves the blues, the fans and success. Passionate and has worked his arse off since taking over from Sticks. Seriously well connected. Knows how to run a business, ruthless and yet has a good life balance. Given time he'll turn it around.

Mods, feel free to move or delete this post as you see fit.

Cheers

OR


Thanks OR - healthy perspective - much apprecaited
With the change that has gone on over the last 6 months it makes sense their is an adjustment period to new beginnings.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:02 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
jimmae wrote:
She's capable, resourceful, researches well and has leveraged expertise to do well for herself. Stop pissing on someone for doing their job well.


..no need to hire her.. ..just read her..


....these are the names she had for our first rounders these last bunch of years..

2014. Lachie Weller
2013. Patrick Cripps
2012. Troy Menzel
2011. Jordan Murdoch
2010. Mathew Watson
2009. Aaron Black

She lists who she thinks we'll choose not who she thinks we should choose - doesn't she?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:16 am 
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
kennyhunter wrote:
Hey, OR, can I interrupt your Synbad take-down to get your take on Carlton 2015?

This "debate" (or lament) has been missing your input - probably no secret why - but I think plenty of posters would be interested in your perspective on the club/coach etc.


Hey Kenny,

Thanks.

I've clearly been distracted by the funny boy, my apologies.

No matter what I say it will be derided by the negative posts which will flow incessantly.

I've got clear views, insights and like many others, bias' about what's occurring & where we are at.

Like more and more on here I'm learning that it's best to say nothing, as it's no longer a forum for blues fans but more a site for being smashed.

Anyway, here goes.

I reckon we have 3+ years of mediocrity ahead. We also have the nucleus of a good team/admin and will turn it around.

Our drafting has been appalling, as has our development.

SOS is a step in the right direction, yes GWS had a shitload of 1st round picks but he knows what type of player can play the modern game. He'll be a big positive for the club. He doesn't have a massive ego and wants to rebuild to what we were. He was dismayed about the quality of the club vs GWS when he first arrived. Professional vs amateur.

Trigg - tainted by crows days but very good get for the club given where we are at. He's a communicator and knows how to engage with members. A good get.

Malthouse - I've been a big fan, but it's time for change. Not that he can't coach or get players up in an us vs them approach, but rather we need a new fresh approach/engagement with young fans or risk missing an entire generation. We play an old style of footy, players are being forced to play against their natural style.

LoGiudice - right man for the times. Loves the blues, the fans and success. Passionate and has worked his arse off since taking over from Sticks. Seriously well connected. Knows how to run a business, ruthless and yet has a good life balance. Given time he'll turn it around.

Mods, feel free to move or delete this post as you see fit.

Cheers

OR

Don't be riddikalus OR.
Great post.
Post more often please. :smile: :gift:
I feel positive about SOS, can see a few beauties now talent wise...
and am so glad you agree re MM.
I'm all for him seeing out the contract.
That is the decent thing to do.
I'm all for a variety of voices and opinions.
However, repetitive, negative pummeling is draining and tiresome,
especially after we have a win!
It also detracts from any valid points the poster may have.
:thumbsup:
I also loved your posts in the Essendon* thread.,
They got many of us through a very bleak time.
Even though (so far) the bad guys won,
For me, your posts there were a ray of hope. :grin:

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The beauty with getting SOS is GWS has been scouting kids with more depth than us due to the extra resources that the afl pump into them, now we have that info.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:28 pm 
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need to fix our recruiting dept this to me is our main concern ,we have to nail the picks this year. As for all this talk about the board who cares if you get the team playing well and winning there will no discussion about board.we have to get our recruiting right for once.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:56 pm 
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
kennyhunter wrote:
Hey, OR, can I interrupt your Synbad take-down to get your take on Carlton 2015?

This "debate" (or lament) has been missing your input - probably no secret why - but I think plenty of posters would be interested in your perspective on the club/coach etc.


Hey Kenny,

Thanks.

I've clearly been distracted by the funny boy, my apologies.

No matter what I say it will be derided by the negative posts which will flow incessantly.

I've got clear views, insights and like many others, bias' about what's occurring & where we are at.

Like more and more on here I'm learning that it's best to say nothing, as it's no longer a forum for blues fans but more a site for being smashed.

Anyway, here goes.

I reckon we have 3+ years of mediocrity ahead. We also have the nucleus of a good team/admin and will turn it around.

Our drafting has been appalling, as has our development.

SOS is a step in the right direction, yes GWS had a shitload of 1st round picks but he knows what type of player can play the modern game. He'll be a big positive for the club. He doesn't have a massive ego and wants to rebuild to what we were. He was dismayed about the quality of the club vs GWS when he first arrived. Professional vs amateur.

Trigg - tainted by crows days but very good get for the club given where we are at. He's a communicator and knows how to engage with members. A good get.

Malthouse - I've been a big fan, but it's time for change. Not that he can't coach or get players up in an us vs them approach, but rather we need a new fresh approach/engagement with young fans or risk missing an entire generation. We play an old style of footy, players are being forced to play against their natural style.

LoGiudice - right man for the times. Loves the blues, the fans and success. Passionate and has worked his arse off since taking over from Sticks. Seriously well connected. Knows how to run a business, ruthless and yet has a good life balance. Given time he'll turn it around.

Mods, feel free to move or delete this post as you see fit.

Cheers

OR


Great post :thumbsup:


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london blue wrote:
Didn't post this two weeks prior to the season happening - tried to dismiss it

Good mate and a senior offical (and past player) had many beers one Saturday night. There was a major concern about the cultural challenges the club were having. Over 6 months new President, CEO, CFO, Marketing guru and List manager. Words used '"it was looking ugly".

Point 1 of EQ's article resonates ie everyone being on the same page.

I don't think we can underestimate the impact of change that has taken place at the club this last 12 months.

We talk about the list, we talk about the coach, we talk about the board....

The club should take some credit for the changes to admin made.....it will take time to settle in as it does in any organisation...time will also tell whether those appointments were the right ones


Thanks for the info LB.
I like the part...."it WAS looking ugly"

Makes sense that change has started despite what you may read here on TC.
TC is partly left wing and partly right wing imo. Not much middle ground.

I see off field change despite what youu read on forums.
I know an ex player who says that theres a lot of change for the good after some seriouys evaluation in 2013.

The rebuild started last yyear imo and we arent starting at grouund zero.

Things aren't as bad as some suggest including TV personality and statistic formatter King.

I wuld like to see a more democratic process, but having studied political sociology I do remember Democracy equals Anarchy, so maybe we dont giive the club to the nuff nuffs, that would be sad.

Theres a lot of room for improvement.
Still another 18 rounds and a finals series before any on field changes will happen.

Im keen for the players to improve on some of their sloppiness and for the coach to get the boys playing forward and not backwards so the opposition doesnt have a chance to set up. We have to be quick and unpredictable on field, and the stench on thhe club will lift.

Lets see.

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