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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:46 pm 
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It's a test for La guidace to see if he has the fortitude to stand up to the uninformed masses and give malthouse 2 years to rebuild the list. We have made recruiting errors. Broke hurst is likely one and letting betts go another but Everitt, Docherty, jaksch and jones are good recruits. Far better than 2002 to 2012 when all were busts. People who are worshipping Waite, Robinson and Garlett have a biased view of history. Appoint Mick for 2 years but the club should appoint the assistants

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2014- ... -boekhorst

I think they should have a committee for the assistants where Mick has a say, we need new blood and ideas in there with Mick, and if he's serious about giving it a crack he will welcome such things.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:59 pm 
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Hey Micky your so fine, your so fine you blow my mind.....hey Mickey
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:01 pm 
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Dodo that trade was Jaksch + Whiley + Pick 19 (later used on Boekhorst) for Pick 7


That pick really was pick 7 for Jaksch.

I doubt anyone would want Whiley and he could have been rookied.
Boekhorst could have been taken at Clem Smiths pick.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:09 pm 
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Dodo that trade was Jaksch + Whiley + Pick 19 (later used on Boekhorst) for Pick 7


That pick really was pick 7 for Jaksch.

I doubt anyone would want Whiley and he could have been rookied.
Boekhorst could have been taken at Clem Smiths pick.

18-32 was the range for Boekhorst as it turned out.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:44 pm 
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Clayman wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Dodo that trade was Jaksch + Whiley + Pick 19 (later used on Boekhorst) for Pick 7


That pick really was pick 7 for Jaksch.

I doubt anyone would want Whiley and he could have been rookied.
Boekhorst could have been taken at Clem Smiths pick.



..I didn't like the trade, but lets not change it now.. ..pick 7 for kj, whiley and 19.. ..I wasn't a fan cos whiley is steak knives, lets be honest.. ..and pick 19 for us was always a gamble..

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:07 am 
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Carlton has average talent and when they are down on confidence they are going to get beaten like this sometimes. It's mostly not Micks fault they lack a few quality players and a bit of mongrel. He's only been there for a couple of drafts or so and the players he's gathering and developing gradually are decent quality.

For those of you squealing over Waite and Garlett; they were patchy performers with poor attitudes and bad for our club. Garlett was off the rails by the end of last year and Waite was given many chances by the club to grow a pair. Waite is a sometimes performer with a sometimes body and is well into his 30s FFS. Eddie was a big loss but he was so so in the last year and wanted overs for his form at the time. He wanted to go back to S.A to be with his ill father anyway in the end.

Mick knows players like Carrazzo, Curnow, Warnock etc are not up to standard. They've reached full potential and it's not enough and he knows it. But he has turned over half the list so what else is he supposed to do for gods sake?!!

He made an error in the last 2 weeks in having Smith as a Sub but I guarantee no coach is without fault week to week. (Smith actually looks too small and slow in general. He has evasive talent and good in traffic with awareness but I'm not sure if he is AFL material with just that - in the end pick 60 is just a punt anyway FFS).

There is plenty of potential improvement in the list for this year. I still don't think its impossible the 8 is beyond us.

Mick is trying to develop a team first mantra for the players and a decent list ravaged by at least 15 years of shite recruitment and penaltys. So while he does this ALL YOU SUPPORTERS CALLING FOR EVERY PLAYER AND COACHES RESIGNATION ON THIS FORUM WHO CARRY ON LIKE SPOILT BRATS ARE IRONICALLY MORE AKIN TO BRUCE MATHIESON AND THE OTHER IMPATIENT TWATS THAT HAVE HARMED THIS CLUB WITH IMPATIENCE. TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOURSELVES FOR A CHANGE. YOU ARE MORE EMBARASSING THAN THE TEAM AT THE MOMENT.


It actually takes a large pair of balls to be patient. Patience is tough and sorts boys from men just like every other virtue on and off the field. I think a lot of you on here don't have the guts to be patient and give the coach a chance to prove his worth quite frankly.



so we have an average list but can still make the finals
only been there for a couple of drafts.............ring Hinkley, walsh and Beveridge and tell them they are doing it wrong
it's not micks fault they lack mongrel............yes it is, that's part of the coach's job
if he knows his players are not up to standard , don't play them
I don't think anyone on this site is more embarrassing than a 60 year old spoilt sook
he's had two years to show improvement and has come up short with his same old insipid ways

time to show some self respect and retire gracefully ( well retire anyway, the graceful part was lost a long time ago )


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:59 am 
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Whether Malthouse stays, goes or self implodes doesn't really matter. In the end if the team doesn't start winning games the supporter base will eventually drop off and hurt the club irrevocably.

Everyone, from forum pundits to journalistic "experts" will have their take on the current situation at Carlton, but that doesn't put bums on seats or generate membership purchases. Which is the life blood of any sporting club.

Personally I don't give a rats clacker if Malthouse stays or goes. I'm worried about the very survival of my club. This is what's at stake here.

Its been 20 years since we've tasted ultimate success. But really that's not the issue to me. You can be a successful club without winning premierships. Simply because your competitive and give your fans some hope of winning.

None of this would be an issue if we played finals every year. Talk would be about how we as a club can get to the next level and actually play in a grand final, maybe even win one.

Conversations of hope really. Great conversations about what we need, who we need, and what we need to do to win a premiership.

Instead for 20 years we've been many things, but, successful. Here we are again discussing whether a coach should stay or go? I think the real issue with our club is whether supporters should stay or go?

The club is about providing hope of success. They recruit Chris Judd, which provides supporters with the hope that success is forthcoming. They hire Malthouse, which provides supporters with the hope that success is forthcoming.

How many times are you going to believe your partner that they'll stop cheating on you before you finally say to yourself this is BS, and its time to move on? You believe, and believe, you trust and hope, but its the same old same old every time ...

Personally I'm sick of it. Malthouse should go, Malthouse should stay ...

Do you turn white and shudder at the thought that in 10 years we'll be discussing whether (name coach here) should go or stay? How do you think memberships and bums on seats will look then? A decimated club on the verge of collapse?

Its been 20 years of this %$#!


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Effes wrote:
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If he doesn't voluntarily stand down after breaking the record he will be here for 5 just like Ratten and Pagan


And if that happens there will be massive numbers of people not renewing their membership.

That's assuming he can't turn this around. Pagan gave up arguing, Ratten ran out of answers; Mick's not short on either behind closed doors.

Just the stubborn prick this club might need.


I think so. It is going to take a stubborn prick who won't care what the uneducated masses think.

He has done it before, has seen most things in football and still has the will to do it.

It will obviously take more than the coach, most agree the club needs a shake up but bringing in a young coach at this point won't change anything in the long term and just prematurely end another young coaches career.

Bring in the next coach in 2018 and give Mick the time to sort some of these problems out. Quick fixes will get us nowhere.

On average MM needs 11+ years to win a flag. Do we have that time.

I don't think any one disputes that he is one of the best coaches out there. But, since he has come in, we have not made the finals once (legitimately). But, having said that, we did play in the finals and won a finals match under Mick thanks to ASADA. So in 2013 we finished 6th. 1 season and 2 games later in we are bottom 3 team with no effort, motivation, intensity or anything that represents a gameplan. Something has gone amiss. Even early last season Mick called the leadership group in to see if they were following the GP and believed in. They obviously said yes and then Mick told the leadership group to ask the rest of the playing group. They obviously said yes and the season continues. It is clear that the players obviously don't understand the game plan or can't execute it and that is a major coaching flaw.

What is happening now is generally when a coach has lost the players. You watch any coach sacked during the season and this has all the characteristics of that right now. Players are leaving the club and no one is coming to the club. I heard on open mike with guy mckenna and he said one time at training he pushed glenn jakovich up against a wall and started yelling at him. Now that was probably the norm back then, but now players have free agency and probably don't respond to that type of coaching style. I hope he isn't coaching that way still, as it will get players offside. But, l think he wouldn't change too much.

It is ironic that 1 season and 2 games ago we finished 6th. Mick cleaned out the list and was praised for it by a lot on here. Well in 1season and 2 games he has turned the club in to bottom 3. So for those supporters, enjoy the lack of success. We could have synbad coaching Carlton right now and we would get the same results.

If Mick wants to save his legacy, the board should talk to him now and let him go out on his own terms. Retire after he has his record and not be sacked afterwards. He can simply say l am retiring, l don't have the passion to go beyond this year and l think it would be better to leave now with the club to search for a new coach.

A form of insanity is when you continue to do the same thing over and over for the same results without changing anything. Who knows what a new coach can do with this list, Beveridge has really got bulldogs play inspired football hey


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:54 pm 
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Mick's not doing the same thing over and over, and these players have lost faith in the coach far too often to be taken seriously.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:02 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Mick's not doing the same thing over and over, and these players have lost faith in the coach far too often to be taken seriously.

Nail on the head...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:37 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Mick's not doing the same thing over and over, and these players have lost faith in the coach far too often to be taken seriously.



..correct, the players prefer to stink it up for a new coach, than do the hard work consistently.. ..how many coaches will they revolt against before we realise that the players as a group are rotten..?.. ..you have to go back to 2001 to see us play as a team regularly.. ..the players won't work for the coach, or each other, or even themselves.. ..the culture at this club is so screwed on Every level that it will take a decade to fix, if they rebuild the club entire Now.. ..which they won't.. ..so we'll be shite for years to come.. ..years I tell ya, years....

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:42 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Mick's not doing the same thing over and over, and these players have lost faith in the coach far too often to be taken seriously.


Thought the players loved him?

Thought MM loved the players?

That's what he told me in the pre-season.

Now they're shit.

Another year of mixed messages.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:03 pm 
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..I reckon they do love him, but they are just soft, lazy and selfish.. ..they have been for years.. ..we may need a new coach, who knows.. ..what I do know is we are going nowhere fast with the current crop.. ....shite club culture across all levels for too many years has ruined most of the senior core.. ..they simply don't fully grasp what needs to be done.. ..or they do, but don't care..

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:12 pm 
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..I reckon they do love him, but they are just soft, lazy and selfish.. ..they have been for years.. ..we may need a new coach, who knows.. ..what I do know is we are going nowhere fast with the current crop.. ....shite club culture across all levels for too many years has ruined most of the senior core.. ..they simply don't fully grasp what needs to be done.. ..or they do, but don't care..


Nah.

If there is all this love there's usually some respect.

Sounds like bulldust to me.

We stop after a quarter. Whats the issue?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:16 pm 
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..it's a bit like a family here.... ..you can still love a lazy brother that won't put in.. ..you just won't like him very much, but you still love him all the same..

..same gig.. ..we're a big dysfunctional family.. ....our players are con artists..

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:46 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..it's a bit like a family here.... ..you can still love a lazy brother that won't put in.. ..you just won't like him very much, but you still love him all the same..

..same gig.. ..we're a big dysfunctional family.. ....our players are con artists..


I can't comprehend it.

If you had the privilege to play this game, wouldn't you want to give 100% every time?

Wouldn't you want to be remembered for giving everything?

You don't have to be a Judd, everyone can run (both ways), tackle, go when it is your time to go, these are basics whether you have talent coming out your arse or just average skills.

Look at Simpson, he can hold his head up and he is the smallest guy on the ground.

I hope they work it out. A coach can't give a player these basic traits.

It is self respect and respect for your teammates. It should be inherent in every player.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:13 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
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Mick's not doing the same thing over and over, and these players have lost faith in the coach far too often to be taken seriously.

Nail on the head...


Easy Juddy&Kruezers. You were a huge "its not the players its the coach" person a few years back.

Why the big change of mind?


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