http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2014- ... -boekhorst

I think they should have a committee for the assistants where Mick has a say, we need new blood and ideas in there with Mick, and if he's serious about giving it a crack he will welcome such things.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Hey Micky your so fine, your so fine you blow my mind.....hey Mickey

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

That pick really was pick 7 for Jaksch.

I doubt anyone would want Whiley and he could have been rookied.
Boekhorst could have been taken at Clem Smiths pick.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

18-32 was the range for Boekhorst as it turned out.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

..I didn't like the trade, but lets not change it now.. ..pick 7 for kj, whiley and 19.. ..I wasn't a fan cos whiley is steak knives, lets be honest.. ..and pick 19 for us was always a gamble..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

so we have an average list but can still make the finals
only been there for a couple of drafts.............ring Hinkley, walsh and Beveridge and tell them they are doing it wrong
it's not micks fault they lack mongrel............yes it is, that's part of the coach's job
if he knows his players are not up to standard , don't play them
I don't think anyone on this site is more embarrassing than a 60 year old spoilt sook
he's had two years to show improvement and has come up short with his same old insipid ways

time to show some self respect and retire gracefully ( well retire anyway, the graceful part was lost a long time ago )

Whether Malthouse stays, goes or self implodes doesn't really matter. In the end if the team doesn't start winning games the supporter base will eventually drop off and hurt the club irrevocably.

Everyone, from forum pundits to journalistic "experts" will have their take on the current situation at Carlton, but that doesn't put bums on seats or generate membership purchases. Which is the life blood of any sporting club.

Personally I don't give a rats clacker if Malthouse stays or goes. I'm worried about the very survival of my club. This is what's at stake here.

Its been 20 years since we've tasted ultimate success. But really that's not the issue to me. You can be a successful club without winning premierships. Simply because your competitive and give your fans some hope of winning.

None of this would be an issue if we played finals every year. Talk would be about how we as a club can get to the next level and actually play in a grand final, maybe even win one.

Conversations of hope really. Great conversations about what we need, who we need, and what we need to do to win a premiership.

Instead for 20 years we've been many things, but, successful. Here we are again discussing whether a coach should stay or go? I think the real issue with our club is whether supporters should stay or go?

The club is about providing hope of success. They recruit Chris Judd, which provides supporters with the hope that success is forthcoming. They hire Malthouse, which provides supporters with the hope that success is forthcoming.

How many times are you going to believe your partner that they'll stop cheating on you before you finally say to yourself this is BS, and its time to move on? You believe, and believe, you trust and hope, but its the same old same old every time ...

Personally I'm sick of it. Malthouse should go, Malthouse should stay ...

Do you turn white and shudder at the thought that in 10 years we'll be discussing whether (name coach here) should go or stay? How do you think memberships and bums on seats will look then? A decimated club on the verge of collapse?

Its been 20 years of this %$#!

On average MM needs 11+ years to win a flag. Do we have that time.

I don't think any one disputes that he is one of the best coaches out there. But, since he has come in, we have not made the finals once (legitimately). But, having said that, we did play in the finals and won a finals match under Mick thanks to ASADA. So in 2013 we finished 6th. 1 season and 2 games later in we are bottom 3 team with no effort, motivation, intensity or anything that represents a gameplan. Something has gone amiss. Even early last season Mick called the leadership group in to see if they were following the GP and believed in. They obviously said yes and then Mick told the leadership group to ask the rest of the playing group. They obviously said yes and the season continues. It is clear that the players obviously don't understand the game plan or can't execute it and that is a major coaching flaw.

What is happening now is generally when a coach has lost the players. You watch any coach sacked during the season and this has all the characteristics of that right now. Players are leaving the club and no one is coming to the club. I heard on open mike with guy mckenna and he said one time at training he pushed glenn jakovich up against a wall and started yelling at him. Now that was probably the norm back then, but now players have free agency and probably don't respond to that type of coaching style. I hope he isn't coaching that way still, as it will get players offside. But, l think he wouldn't change too much.

It is ironic that 1 season and 2 games ago we finished 6th. Mick cleaned out the list and was praised for it by a lot on here. Well in 1season and 2 games he has turned the club in to bottom 3. So for those supporters, enjoy the lack of success. We could have synbad coaching Carlton right now and we would get the same results.

If Mick wants to save his legacy, the board should talk to him now and let him go out on his own terms. Retire after he has his record and not be sacked afterwards. He can simply say l am retiring, l don't have the passion to go beyond this year and l think it would be better to leave now with the club to search for a new coach.

A form of insanity is when you continue to do the same thing over and over for the same results without changing anything. Who knows what a new coach can do with this list, Beveridge has really got bulldogs play inspired football hey

Mick's not doing the same thing over and over, and these players have lost faith in the coach far too often to be taken seriously.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Nail on the head...

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"Truth, for the tyrants, is the most terrible and cruel of all bindings; it is like an incandescent iron falling across their chests. And it is even more agonizing than hot iron, for that only burns the flesh, while truth burns its way into the soul"     — Lauro Aguirre

..correct, the players prefer to stink it up for a new coach, than do the hard work consistently.. ..how many coaches will they revolt against before we realise that the players as a group are rotten..?.. ..you have to go back to 2001 to see us play as a team regularly.. ..the players won't work for the coach, or each other, or even themselves.. ..the culture at this club is so screwed on Every level that it will take a decade to fix, if they rebuild the club entire Now.. ..which they won't.. ..so we'll be shite for years to come.. ..years I tell ya, years....

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

Thought the players loved him?

Thought MM loved the players?

That's what he told me in the pre-season.

Now they're shit.

Another year of mixed messages.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

..I reckon they do love him, but they are just soft, lazy and selfish.. ..they have been for years.. ..we may need a new coach, who knows.. ..what I do know is we are going nowhere fast with the current crop.. ....shite club culture across all levels for too many years has ruined most of the senior core.. ..they simply don't fully grasp what needs to be done.. ..or they do, but don't care..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

Nah.

If there is all this love there's usually some respect.

Sounds like bulldust to me.

We stop after a quarter. Whats the issue?

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I hope Essendon* folds.

..it's a bit like a family here.... ..you can still love a lazy brother that won't put in.. ..you just won't like him very much, but you still love him all the same..

..same gig.. ..we're a big dysfunctional family.. ....our players are con artists..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

I can't comprehend it.

If you had the privilege to play this game, wouldn't you want to give 100% every time?

Wouldn't you want to be remembered for giving everything?

You don't have to be a Judd, everyone can run (both ways), tackle, go when it is your time to go, these are basics whether you have talent coming out your arse or just average skills.

Look at Simpson, he can hold his head up and he is the smallest guy on the ground.

I hope they work it out. A coach can't give a player these basic traits.

It is self respect and respect for your teammates. It should be inherent in every player.

Easy Juddy&Kruezers. You were a huge "its not the players its the coach" person a few years back.

Why the big change of mind?

it's the culture

The vibe

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

My bunions.

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I hope Essendon* folds.