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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:07 pm 
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or ratten
or pagan
or brittan

or any coach

but there not there now, because they didn't perform

that's a fact


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:17 pm 
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redback wrote:
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Come on red back this whole club's a shitfight.

They need to hit rock bottom.

Malthouse knows how to rebuild a club, bringing in a new coach now is knee jerk and would kill the coach and hold us back longer.

Supporters need to wake up, Carlton is a mess and Malthouse isn't the cause.



Every department has issues I’m not disputing that or arguing that point what I do know is that micky is in charge of the playing group and is responsible for the results
If you think that the board has drawn up the insipid game plan for us you are sadly mistaken
I don't think think they tell mick to play the boundary, the bomb, 4/5 taggers or pick the side
If you believe that micky didn’t have a major say in our drafting and recruiting you would again be wrong
Last year we used the excuse of the majority of the list having off season surgery but this year we are supposed to be fitter, do you see it, I don’t, again mickys friend
If you don’t think that inspiring your players is a coach’s responsibility, then I don’t think that you have been involved in any sporting club at any level anywhere in the world but let me assure you that's exactly what he is there for
and he is accountable and responsible for the players and their on field performances an no one else

this is his third year and has made an abundance of personnel changes and major decisions so he has had plenty of time to show some type, any type of improvement but we haven't seen it
FGS he even made the excuse that these players are new and haven't played together (WTF)
one excuse after another
!@#$ off mick


I don't agree with every side that is picked each week.

I don't think the players he has brought in have been a mistake (the jury is still out on the latest crop)

If I needed a coach or boss for that matter to inspire me to achieve I would give up the game. Responsibility, effort, commitment. They aren't children they should be self motivated to produce these basic standards.

This is going to take time and more changes. A new coach just delays the inevitable and probably turns over the next coach, which this industry does at the drop of a hat.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:25 pm 
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Rabbit wrote:
redback wrote:
Rabbit wrote:
Come on red back this whole club's a shitfight.

They need to hit rock bottom.

Malthouse knows how to rebuild a club, bringing in a new coach now is knee jerk and would kill the coach and hold us back longer.

Supporters need to wake up, Carlton is a mess and Malthouse isn't the cause.



Every department has issues I’m not disputing that or arguing that point what I do know is that micky is in charge of the playing group and is responsible for the results
If you think that the board has drawn up the insipid game plan for us you are sadly mistaken
I don't think think they tell mick to play the boundary, the bomb, 4/5 taggers or pick the side
If you believe that micky didn’t have a major say in our drafting and recruiting you would again be wrong
Last year we used the excuse of the majority of the list having off season surgery but this year we are supposed to be fitter, do you see it, I don’t, again mickys friend
If you don’t think that inspiring your players is a coach’s responsibility, then I don’t think that you have been involved in any sporting club at any level anywhere in the world but let me assure you that's exactly what he is there for
and he is accountable and responsible for the players and their on field performances an no one else

this is his third year and has made an abundance of personnel changes and major decisions so he has had plenty of time to show some type, any type of improvement but we haven't seen it
FGS he even made the excuse that these players are new and haven't played together (WTF)
one excuse after another
!@#$ off mick


I don't agree with every side that is picked each week.

I don't think the players he has brought in have been a mistake (the jury is still out on the latest crop)

If I needed a coach or boss for that matter to inspire me to achieve I would give up the game. Responsibility, effort, commitment. They aren't children they should be self motivated to produce these basic standards.

This is going to take time and more changes. A new coach just delays the inevitable and probably turns over the next coach, which this industry does at the drop of a hat.


It is a combination of individual accountability and leadership setting the frameworks, expectations and following through. Both parties in this instance have been found wanting.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:41 pm 
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The board can't afford to be seen to be bottoming out.
Financially it's crumbling
Membership and pulling power is evaporating
Club can't afford in its mind to go to the members with the plan...
We need to start again..
They're the same people that brought us to this here place.
So we're in for mixed messages...


The classic Carlton "refusal to rebuild"....send mixed messages out instead and revert to the cheque book.

If they went to the members with a plan to rebuild they might be surprised with the response...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:48 pm 
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I agree with Effes re: rebuild plan, but it can't be something that comes out slowly, or as a knee-jerk response.

One big announcement, but plan it out. No talk about the playing list or the coaches, talk about building around the footy department and initiatives that think outside the box a bit.

A committee designed to be on top of the latest in sports science, sports analytics and sports medicine in consultation with the AFLPA and the AFL commission would look amazing right now and they'd all jump out of their seats to be involved with it from a political standpoint. We're miles behind Hawthorn, Sydney, Geelong, Collingwood and Port in those categories.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:50 pm 
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sstormin123 wrote:
The jones trade pisses me off a lot too. Why did we actively seek out one of the worst forwards in the comp??
This in turn caused us to give up our 3rd rounder, which I'm certain we could have used of Boekhurst. As no other team would be stupid enough to waste a first or second rounder on a 21y/o former volleyball we who has played 1 season on proper footy. Instead we used our first round pick, because he was our missing piece. Don't get me wrong I think BB has some good qualities and I hope he succeeds, but first round was bull. Plus im sure you noticed I really think Jones is a terrible player. Serenity now.


Not Firefly? :?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:52 pm 
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Effes wrote:

If they went to the members with a plan to rebuild they might be surprised with the response...

Spot on


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:07 pm 
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port rebuilt on a shoe string, and turned it around quickly. they installed a coach who is a leader and fills his mob with belief.

footy is played 80% between the ears. don't discount what a leader who fills the players with self belief can achieve. even in a short amount of time.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:19 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
port rebuilt on a shoe string, and turned it around quickly. they installed a coach who is a leader and fills his mob with belief.

footy is played 80% between the ears. don't discount what a leader who fills the players with self belief can achieve. even in a short amount of time.


They hasn't spent the best part of 10 years burning all their first and second round draft picks tho


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:20 pm 
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2ndeffort wrote:
We need to find leaders, even if they aren't the best players. We need blokes that will not accept mediocrity and will give others a spray if need be.

For all the shit he cops around here, this really embodied Ellard last night. Not the best player but has a RHG and isn't afraid to spray a few blokes.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:27 pm 
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sstormin123 wrote:
Braithy wrote:
port rebuilt on a shoe string, and turned it around quickly. they installed a coach who is a leader and fills his mob with belief.

footy is played 80% between the ears. don't discount what a leader who fills the players with self belief can achieve. even in a short amount of time.


They hasn't spent the best part of 10 years burning all their first and second round draft picks tho

They burnt a fair few before Wingard.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:49 pm 
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Britts lost the players
Pago lost the players
Ratts lost the players

Has Mick lost the players ? Probably. So who dd we turn to now ? So far the young inexperienced coaches have failed us, and so have the old fogies. So maybe someone in between....like A Roos, or dare I say it Bomber ?

Hmmmm


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:58 pm 
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Britts didnt lose the players. He had one season with an aging injury interrupted year right when elliott was trying to save his neck because of the salary cap scandal. All of that conspired against him.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:06 pm 
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showbag wrote:
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I don't go to west coast games. I'd end up with an assault charge against me.

I'm not sure if the east coast fully understand how bad they are.

You're a brave lad for attending.


I can't even visit my parents for the same reason! I swear my old man had a football lobotomy in 1987!!


:)

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:11 pm 
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bluechucky wrote:
Britts didnt lose the players. He had one season with an aging injury interrupted year right when elliott was trying to save his neck because of the salary cap scandal. All of that conspired against him.

He didn't redeem himself at the Lions though.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:13 pm 
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Being there in person last night, I was quite shell shocked with how inept we were.

So much for a united playing group and the setting of standards/culture we heard so much about. Even from Judd.

Barely survived the dark years and can't believe they are back......again.....so soon.

Our once great club is basically dead. Those that matter refuse to do what's required in the modern age to be successful.

Joint needs a full clean out from top to bottom and to start again. Old Carlton needs to be fully eradicated.

This of course won't ever happen so @#$%&! them. @#$%&! them all. They don't deserve my devotion.

#basketcase

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:15 pm 
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Being there in person last night, I was quite shell shocked with how inept we were.

So much for a united playing group and the setting of standards/culture we heard so much about. Even from Judd.

Barely survived the dark years and can't believe they are back......again.....so soon.

Our once great club is basically dead. Those that matter refuse to do what's required in the modern age to be successful.

Joint needs a full clean out from top to bottom and to start again. Old Carlton needs to be fully eradicated.

This of course won't ever happen so @#$%&! them. @#$%&! them all. They don't deserve my devotion.

#basketcase


yep , all yep

was really alarming and dumbfounding what was going on out there last night

i didn't think we were that bad either until seeing it in person

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:40 pm 
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It's similar sentiments from most.
It's not that we ve lost.
It's how we ve lost and how bad we ve been.
No leadership
No heart
No skills

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:01 pm 
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Malthouse is the right coach to rebuild the list. He faced the reality 2 years ago. Remeber first draft everyone was contracted. The club needs to select the assistants. That is where we need to spend our dollars. Selections over the last 2 weeks have been atrocious. Kids must be played. Buckley, Cripps, Jacksch, Bokebeurst are not worse than last night's hacks and buckley and bokeheurst are our best outside runners with walker and thomas injured. Warnock is better than Wood . Wood is backup and not first choice ruckman


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:05 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
It's similar sentiments from most.
It's not that we ve lost.
It's how we ve lost and how bad we ve been.
No leadership
No heart
No skills


No gameplan.


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