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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:14 pm 
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Don't ever lose that optimism blue juice! This site will wear you down!


Are you optimistic Dane? Most of your contributions seem to be snipes at those you believe are negative, which in itself is fairly negative.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:06 pm 
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Bit soon for this thread isn't it?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:11 pm 
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We are still trying to have a bob each way as to whether we are rebuilding or challenging, both in our recruitment and what we say to the press. Most teams should and do try and build for the future and remain competitive but there are always some clubs who are a long way behind. Those clubs can't afford to be delusional. We've joined that list and we've been heading there for a while because of our inability to look ahead. However, we seem to be far too proud a club to admit it or at least unable or unwilling to come up with a way to sell it to the supporters.

A lot of the players we have brought into the club are still on the young side. However, I still get the impression that they are looked at as recruits that can plug holes for us rather than as players that will be there when we can challenge in the finals. We have far too many of them on our list and I even have doubts on their credentials in the short term. Year after year we spin the excuse of how thin the draft pool is and yet other teams manage to do okay out of it.

I get the impression we are stuck in a mindset in which we are continually trying to 'correct' the close losses of the previous season, as if we can improve in piecemeal fashion, all the while players are leaving or aging and the opposition is getting stronger. Even if we do by some tiny miracle we make it to 8th place, it will amount to nothing and it will just give us an excuse to do the same as we always do.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:13 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
dane wrote:
Don't ever lose that optimism blue juice! This site will wear you down!


Are you optimistic Dane? Most of your contributions seem to be snipes at those you believe are negative, which in itself is fairly negative.


Did you want me to answer?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:41 pm 
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Verbs and mini Verbs.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:43 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
We are still trying to have a bob each way as to whether we are rebuilding or challenging, both in our recruitment and what we say to the press. Most teams should and do try and build for the future and remain competitive but there are always some clubs who are a long way behind. Those clubs can't afford to be delusional. We've joined that list and we've been heading there for a while because of our inability to look ahead. However, we seem to be far too proud a club to admit it or at least unable or unwilling to come up with a way to sell it to the supporters.

A lot of the players we have brought into the club are still on the young side. However, I still get the impression that they are looked at as recruits that can plug holes for us rather than as players that will be there when we can challenge in the finals. We have far too many of them on our list and I even have doubts on their credentials in the short term. Year after year we spin the excuse of how thin the draft pool is and yet other teams manage to do okay out of it.

I get the impression we are stuck in a mindset in which we are continually trying to 'correct' the close losses of the previous season, as if we can improve in piecemeal fashion, all the while players are leaving or aging and the opposition is getting stronger. Even if we do by some tiny miracle we make it to 8th place, it will amount to nothing and it will just give us an excuse to do the same as we always do.



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:00 pm 
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Jack Donaghy wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
We are still trying to have a bob each way as to whether we are rebuilding or challenging, both in our recruitment and what we say to the press. Most teams should and do try and build for the future and remain competitive but there are always some clubs who are a long way behind. Those clubs can't afford to be delusional. We've joined that list and we've been heading there for a while because of our inability to look ahead. However, we seem to be far too proud a club to admit it or at least unable or unwilling to come up with a way to sell it to the supporters.

A lot of the players we have brought into the club are still on the young side. However, I still get the impression that they are looked at as recruits that can plug holes for us rather than as players that will be there when we can challenge in the finals. We have far too many of them on our list and I even have doubts on their credentials in the short term. Year after year we spin the excuse of how thin the draft pool is and yet other teams manage to do okay out of it.

I get the impression we are stuck in a mindset in which we are continually trying to 'correct' the close losses of the previous season, as if we can improve in piecemeal fashion, all the while players are leaving or aging and the opposition is getting stronger. Even if we do by some tiny miracle we make it to 8th place, it will amount to nothing and it will just give us an excuse to do the same as we always do.



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:04 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
Verbs and mini Verbs.


I think you'll find that it is verbs.

Does he owe you a "you were right"?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:43 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:48 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:23 am 
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No. Our ball movement in the pressure of round 1 did not emulate what was seen in Nab series.
i believe there is genuine change to our game plan being implemented but the players were not able to execute.
Lets see how we are playing by round 4.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:58 am 
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Well said, Paf.

What makes it worse is that we recruit to plug holes from other clubs then draft a mature age recruit who isn't physically ready. So we lose 2-3 years due to the birth certificate and don't get the benefit of being able to plug him in straight away, which should be a must if you're using a 1st rounder on a 21yo. We're so clever at this stuff. Ahead of the game.

Aside from the result tomorrow night, I just want to see the team run the game out and play with some intent. The lack of both last Thursday night was disgraceful.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:23 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
We are still trying to have a bob each way as to whether we are rebuilding or challenging, both in our recruitment and what we say to the press. Most teams should and do try and build for the future and remain competitive but there are always some clubs who are a long way behind. Those clubs can't afford to be delusional. We've joined that list and we've been heading there for a while because of our inability to look ahead. However, we seem to be far too proud a club to admit it or at least unable or unwilling to come up with a way to sell it to the supporters.

A lot of the players we have brought into the club are still on the young side. However, I still get the impression that they are looked at as recruits that can plug holes for us rather than as players that will be there when we can challenge in the finals. We have far too many of them on our list and I even have doubts on their credentials in the short term. Year after year we spin the excuse of how thin the draft pool is and yet other teams manage to do okay out of it.

I get the impression we are stuck in a mindset in which we are continually trying to 'correct' the close losses of the previous season, as if we can improve in piecemeal fashion, all the while players are leaving or aging and the opposition is getting stronger. Even if we do by some tiny miracle we make it to 8th place, it will amount to nothing and it will just give us an excuse to do the same as we always do.

Pretty much this. The lack of honesty and direction from the club is astounding. But they still have this outdated mindset that if the team's not winning, we're not buying memberships, so we need to avoid a rebuild at all costs. There's more to it than that.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:56 pm 
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Well I picked us for top four ... so no, the weekend did not confirm me where I think we're at. :sad:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:29 am 
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BigKev wrote:
Well I picked us for top four ... so no, the weekend did not confirm me where I think we're at. :sad:


It confirms your not a good judge of football teams and are not to be trusted :smoking:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:27 pm 
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if/ when we lose tonight, will we be conducting a public burning all the carlton things we own?

somewhere like fed square?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:16 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
BigKev wrote:
Well I picked us for top four ... so no, the weekend did not confirm me where I think we're at. :sad:


It confirms your not a good judge of football teams and are not to be trusted :smoking:


Early days, Adam, early days.
A good win tonight and things will look a lot better.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:11 pm 
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yes Big KEV hoping for a win but agree with others this seems to be a rebuilding year even if club don't want to acknowledge it
Good to see Smith Bell Tutt cripps menzel Docherty Jones all playing and hopefully in the next few weeks we see Jaksch back - buckley and bb


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:42 pm 
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Whiley Sheehan byrne are a few others and also rainbow man and perhaps Foster


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:03 am 
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i'm genuinely curious... if last weekend didn't do it for some here, hows about last night?

We were a $1.54 favourite, they had half their team out injured, and we still got stapled to the cross.

are we on the same page yet, that we'r a bottom 4 outfit?


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