I saw that and I agreed with what he was saying.
For once it was Maclure and not him taking a sledgehammer to the Club.

Why cant Macca or Trigg or Mick just come out and say we re rebuilding. I for one didn't expect to make finals, but hoped for 10-12 wins with the kids showing some promiss. Whether that's enough to give MM a new contract I don't know.

We ve had to patch up the list to deal with the shocking recruitment of the past hence bringing in guys like Jones, Whiley, Doc, Everitt, Tutt, etc.

Just say its going to take time to fix the mistakes of many years of bad recruiting. Only an idiot would think that you can get rid of 50% of your list over two years and go BANG! and be an awesome team straight away.

There is light at the end of the tunnel... We ve got a good bunch of kids coming through for the first time in a while. We need to get everything right in terms of player development and recruiting from now on. No room for errors.

The main problem, and its been mentioned over and over again, is the mixed messages coming out from the coach and the club. They come out at the start of every year and talk finals, and most people get sucked in. So then when we end up not being that good, but playing to the level that we are really at, a lot of the nuff nuff supporters go ballistic (hene the overreaction after only 1 game).



So your lauding a guy who isn't seen as even good enough to be an assistant coach, but a 3rd in line ?
The Hawks proffered to put that smiling Tassie dude who had no AFL coaching experience in charge rather than Ratts when Clarko was sick last year.
That's says it all.

This is the worst time.

Today, in Perth, dreading my team coming to town.

Not because we might get beaten more that we play like we did against Richmond.

So bad even Robbo says he feels sorry for us, although he is secretly loving it.

Yes.. while its true that rhe club does need an intervention and that ?Maclure agreed with that..he did not agree that none of this is MMs fault...for instance the poor kicking at goals..
King says rhe old chestnut thay coaches cant kick goals for them. Sellers says
.yes..but its Mick who has gotten rid of all our top goal kickers.
TRUE..he has!!!
He has also re built with hacks and ok'ers and good little MM servicable soldiers who he likes to totally command and improve..but who have zero charisma & passion .The kind who might take ypu out of your front door to see a live game and make you want to love your club. He has failed ( so far)
To inspire these men.
But....he still might and I still think we are much better than we showed on thurs. Nite.
A posotive game style thay brings out the best in your players..
That is entirely up to Mick
And if we got Bomber Thompson in..warts and all..even with that background..

Leigh Matthews once said about most footy teams that you're never as bad as some think you are and you're never as good as some think you are. It can all turn around very quickly (Port Adelaide) and decline quickly (St Kilda).

Got it BG.
It's the fact we are NOT seeing the light at the end if a the tunnel that has worn most down.
At the end if the day, footy clubs rely on "hope"...and that's what we've lost. Even after 2002, we saw high picks, etc so it appeared that the light at the end of the tunnel was actually the end of the tunnel!

The problem with the majority of people in here and connected with our club is that they are suffering from "coaching myopia".

Our problems run far deeper than that, and the sooner our club realised that the better.

Hi all, I'm a long time reader & sometime poster on this board. Been a Carlton fan since 2004 & getting to see our boys play at the 'G' was one of the reasons I decided to emigrate to Australia in 2009. As luck would have it my first game was against the Tigers when Fev finally kicked a bag of 9!!

Anyway just wondering if people feel the current period of say Ratts final season to now would be seen as a darker time on field than the midst of the salary cap penalty seasons of say 02-06? Been thinking about it lately & from reading posts here I get the feeling that no matter how bad affairs got during the 02-06 period there was still the feeling that 'We are Carlton' & that the club would right itself & before long be challenging again. Having gone through a should have been rebuild it feels like many have lost hope that the club can right itself when having to rebuild again.

My own feelings are that the club was broken by trying to take shortcuts during the tanking years. Despite the riches on offer through draft picks, this club should never have traded culture for draft picks. You win or you lose but you always try to your utmost. As much as I hate to say it I personally can't see us winning a flag as long as we have a number 1 pick in our lineup. No offence to Murphy, Gibbs or Kreuzer but they are a product of the club that drafted them & have known no better.

Unfortunately I wasnt here during 02-06 to make a better comparison but just feels lately like the hope has been sucked out of us. After seeing the club chance 1 rebuild there doesn't appear to be the same belief this time that we can do a proper job of it this time.

Before anyone says it this is not a reaction to last Thursday but the general vibe I have picked up from other blues fans lately. I've always been proud to say I barrack for Carlton when asked but it's often ill meet someone & they are half embarrassed to admit it!

Regardless of everything, go Bluebaggers!!

Oh there was light. But we effed it up with poor trading & recruiting (kept on picking back pocket tryers, minimal picks each year, didn't trade aggressively enough).

So had an opening and muffed it completely.

Now it's the long hard grind. The questions for me are around whether we're prepared to do it properly or whether we'll just paper over the cracks as best we can. i was pleased with the list turnover this year but we needed 1-3 more early picks obvs (I know we couldn't just invent them).