Unfortunately Kreuzer's breakdown has completely shattered our ruck plans. There is no doubt they wanted he and Warnock to be the 1 and 2 punch.

As it stands now, Warnock has not been good enough to be the 1 and is worth nothing in a trade. Hampson is even worse and how we got Docherty out of it is a real credit to the club. Wood becomes our best ruckman and is mediocre at best but at least he offers more around the round (especially up forward). Jacobs was the one we should have kept but the hope was with Kreuzer and as long as he was around, Jacobs was gone. You can't blame the club for sticking with the number one pick at that stage.

More importantly, I want to know why have we not recruited a young ruck in the last 2 seasons? Is the club holding on to hope that Kreuz will hit his potential one day? When do they give up? It's time to let it go and start fresh with new talent.

Warnock needs to be delisted or traded for peanuts (they can take his contract too). I would still keep Kreuzer as he has no trade value anymore and accept that he isn't going to be your star number 1 but could be a handy ruck/forward, if he doesn't retire in the next few years. Whilst Wood is a rookie, it is a perfect opportunity to bring in that young ruck to learn and play a few games but the club has missed the boat. I hope they seriously look at it at the end of the year.

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..knockers is out on contract this year..

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Boom

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I've been hoping for a young ruck myself, but we did get Wood as insurance and that's paid off. Next year I think we'll see the club get draft an 18 year old and pick up someone in the 20-23 bracket, most likely from outside the league.

I think Kreuzer will come good, he's still got plenty of years left in him and his problem has been overcome by many athletes in his position (both on the ground and in sport).

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

..we should extend krooz's contract, then Dank his foot better..

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The bit I disagreed with most was deleting the first post
Docherty hasn't beena bad pick up but it's still too early to make that call

The worst thing about all this and the most important thing here is the club's refusal to admit they get things wrong
Kreuzer despite the injuries was a bad selection pick 1
Hampson was a shocker at pick 17
Warnock was recruited because of this bullshit reputation he had

The best ruckman we had from day dot was Jacobs but the club treated hi like shit
Hampson will come good because we picked him at no 17
Kreuzer will turn out tobea superstar because we used our number one pick to get him
I have always had the view that his best position would be as oversized mid pinch hititing in the ruck
He is too slow and lacks agility to play key back or forward
Warnock is just plain useless
We did the hard work by getting Jacobs then [REDACTED] everything up

What year is it?

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1. Why? Did you ever see him play in TAC, AIS or for Vic Metro. Tell us what you know of him at 18 not what you have read elsewhere.

2. That's interesting because both Collingwood and the Hawks were into him in a big way. The Hawks ended up with Renouf instead.

3. Warnock was recruited because he was young and it was thought his best football was still ahead of him. The fact Freo didn't want to let him go would suggest they thought the same thing.

Lets face it Keogh. Your knowledge is based on what you read on the back page of the newspaper or on bigfooty. Your hindsight is never-ending drivel.



Regards Cazzesman

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So what I can gather from this (and the other one) is that we've made questionable recruiting decisions in the past that haven't worked out as well as other clubs'?



MIND = BLOWN

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#GUILTY

Keogh also has a man-crush on Sauce Jacobs

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..Keogh, if krooz didn't get the big in game injuries, he'd be one of the best rucks going around and would shite all over Jacobs from a massive height.. ..Jacobs best asset, is his durability.. ..helped in part by the fact it took him years to be good enough to play senior football..

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Also helped by the fact he'll never be involved in a high-speed collision on-field unless someone drives a truck at him.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Wonder if Sam Jacobs is pro-Israel or Hamas?

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Don't think Hampson pick was that bad, he was developing well until Ratten tried to educate him to be a forward. Actually Pick 19 (Grigg) was far worse as he was overage and IMHO had limited upside and poor disposal.

I remember hoping at the time we would trade Pick 1 to WCE (effectively foregoing Kreuzer) and keep Kennedy... from memory they were happy with Pick 1 and 20 for Judd. But was happy with the selection, injuries have cut him down.

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I think it's a fair point to make that Jacobs in his last ever game for us was in our top three players in a final against Sydney. The fact we got nothing valuable in return for Jacobs simply underlines the fact that our rucking masterplan over the last 5 years simply has not worked. No other ruckman in navy blue since then has approached those levels in the games that matter and while it may be explained away as bad luck, it has to be regarded as a list management fail.

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Hi Keogh

I just got a text from SOS:

He says thanks posting this thread, he wasn't aware of the whole Jacobs situation at all.
Timely advice.

He says he will heed this in future.

He also thinks that Warnock is the type of guy he could have a shandy with, so Carlton will be keeping Robbie in contact.

Garbage
I know what I am talking about.
You pass off someone's point of view because they are just an observer
Watching Jacobs in his first few games I could see he had a bright future more than Kreuzer, Hampson and Warnock
You and I can disagree but the facts are I am right if you look at what has transpired
I was at Avalon oval that night where Warnock was shit and Jacobs played well in the seniors yet got dropped for Warnock
How would you feel if the same thing happened to in relation to your position at the club
Jacobs was treated unfairly. Warnock is on bigger money and a bigger reputation so the club plays him so they don't look stupid.
Your arrogance and lack of willingness to say the club has [REDACTED] is one of the main reasons we are an average club

Looking into the future the club should be looking at future senior coach for 2016 now in case we falter again under MM
Are we
You do work there
We should be
That's what successful clubs do they do things properly

If your the prototype of person who is employed by the. Club who refuse to listen to facts and commonsense no wonder we have been average for 15 years

This comes back to the number one pick syndrome.
Kreuzer's greatest assests are his durability and courage.
Jacobs is a better tap ruckman
I laugh when I see stuff written
The guy had more hitouts to advantage than anyone in the comp last year
He averages 16possessions a game
Bottom line Jacobs is underrated
Kreuzer is overrated
Don't get me wrong
I like Kreuzer as a player but imo he isn't a ruckman he is like an oversized mid
I hope he eventually is injury free
But he wouldn't shit all over Jacobs in a one on one ruck contest

One won't hear a bad word about "Kroooooooooooz" nor bother to hide the ensuing awkward erection whenever he's brought up.
One won't listen to logic.

Two men enter the thread.
Dozens leave.

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

..c'mon rhino.. ..you can do better than that, or do your have blockbuster troll fatigue..?.. ....maybe one day you'll surprise us and post something of actual relevance.. ..that is, if you can take a break from all the angry letters you like to write and brag about on here..

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