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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:41 pm 
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He was always in the 18-30 range.

I think you'll find he's a bit older than that. Just ask Mrs Caz.

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Cazzesman wrote:
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keogh must be fapping his cranky old man heart out down there at Corio.



By the way dont asked Cazzeman anything
He thinks everything has been hunky dory for the last 20 years.


Correct, no one can criticize anything at the club under any circumstances in Cazzeman world.


Hey Chaty and Keogh. This might be a Captain Obvious question but....

"Have you been told today?"

Silly me. :eek: :eek: Of course you have!!!!!.................probably twice or 3 times and it's not even mid afternoon yet.

Regards Cazzesman

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:48 pm 
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He lost me by talking up an over-age smokey rated at pick 60ish to the point where we needed to use pick 19 in the space of a month.

He was always in the 18-30 range.


That's rubbish.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:42 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
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He lost me by talking up an over-age smokey rated at pick 60ish to the point where we needed to use pick 19 in the space of a month.

He was always in the 18-30 range.


That's rubbish.

Well I'm convinced...

Pace, disposal, a consistent year of form; it read like Isaac Smith all over again and he was always going to be in the 18-30 range because of that.

There's nothing about his 2014 form that suggests he was a late bolter in the draft order, simply that the media wouldn't have a @#$%&! clue outside the TAC talk due to parents and coaches yarning at games.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:30 am 
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Our first round draft was not Boekhurst.

Our first round draft was Jacksch, Whiley and BB.

I don't mind the "speculative" stab at Boekhurst, if as Jimmae says, SR was told to get the best outside running wingman at that pick. Time will tell whether any of the three picks will "make it", but on what I know to date KJ is a lock-in, Whiley shows a lot of promise as a Carazzo replacing tagger (Pendelbury was a massive wrap for Whiley after he got well tagged by him). Time will tell with BB.

2 of these three will come good.. maybe even 3. That's stellar drafting/recruiting (especially considering our recent drafting history).

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:33 am 
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And on KJ... remember the job he did on Waite when we played GWS last year? Smothered him. Then went forward and kicked a goal from the boundary on the 50.

KJ ftw!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:40 am 
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jimmae wrote:
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He lost me by talking up an over-age smokey rated at pick 60ish to the point where we needed to use pick 19 in the space of a month.

He was always in the 18-30 range.


That's rubbish.

Well I'm convinced...

Pace, disposal, a consistent year of form; it read like Isaac Smith all over again and he was always going to be in the 18-30 range because of that.

There's nothing about his 2014 form that suggests he was a late bolter in the draft order, simply that the media wouldn't have a @#$%&! clue outside the TAC talk due to parents and coaches yarning at games.


We'll agree to disagree on this one. There is no way BB was considered a lock as a first rounder (or even top 30) until a week before the draft and Rogers suggested we had a massive hard-on for him. His possession numbers (plus volleyball background and light physique) didn't demand drafting high up but I can see how the overall skills package (pace, eye for goal, etc) is appealing. Normally you'd expect the likes of Freo and West Coast to be all over a stand-out WAFL prospect (Ballantyne at pick 20) but there wasn't one skerrick of interest from either in taking him before 30 which concerned me at the time.

More specifically, why wouldn't you want to add a talented 18 year old to our list which is already badly in need of young elite talent, especially in the midfield??? The "but we got Jaksch and Whiley" argument shouldn't get in the way of working out whether BB vs Laverde / Lamb / Menadue was a good pick for us in the long-term. As I said before, the recruiting staff will be judged on if this works out. Personally, I don't think we should pass on the best 18 year old available with our first pick (whether it's 9 or 19) but that's just a fundamental drafting philosophy thing for me.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:16 am 
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Dukes wrote:
jimmae wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Dukes wrote:
He lost me by talking up an over-age smokey rated at pick 60ish to the point where we needed to use pick 19 in the space of a month.

He was always in the 18-30 range.


That's rubbish.

Well I'm convinced...

Pace, disposal, a consistent year of form; it read like Isaac Smith all over again and he was always going to be in the 18-30 range because of that.

There's nothing about his 2014 form that suggests he was a late bolter in the draft order, simply that the media wouldn't have a @#$%&! clue outside the TAC talk due to parents and coaches yarning at games.


We'll agree to disagree on this one. There is no way BB was considered a lock as a first rounder (or even top 30) until a week before the draft and Rogers suggested we had a massive hard-on for him. His possession numbers (plus volleyball background and light physique) didn't demand drafting high up but I can see how the overall skills package (pace, eye for goal, etc) is appealing. Normally you'd expect the likes of Freo and West Coast to be all over a stand-out WAFL prospect (Ballantyne at pick 20) but there wasn't one skerrick of interest from either in taking him before 30 which concerned me at the time.

More specifically, why wouldn't you want to add a talented 18 year old to our list which is already badly in need of young elite talent, especially in the midfield??? The "but we got Jaksch and Whiley" argument shouldn't get in the way of working out whether BB vs Laverde / Lamb / Menadue was a good pick for us in the long-term. As I said before, the recruiting staff will be judged on if this works out. Personally, I don't think we should pass on the best 18 year old available with our first pick (whether it's 9 or 19) but that's just a fundamental drafting philosophy thing for me.


Lamb didn't get taken until pick 32.
Menadue went at the next pick, 33.
We could have had either with our second round pick, but we obviously rated DVR higher, taking him at 28.

Laverde is the only question mark and from what I've heard he specifically wanted to be at Essendon* (a connection with the club, either a die hard fan or some family ties, dunno) and I think a few clubs passed him by because of that (nothing to stop him walking to them after his first contract).

If there's a player we should have gone for with 19, it's Hugh Goddard.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:44 pm 
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"He wanted to be at Essendon*"
Oh really? Every kid has a preference but that's not how the draft works Robbie....

What would have happened if we drafted him exactly? Just a question for you to ponder......

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:58 pm 
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"He wanted to be at Essendon**"
Oh really? Every kid has a preference but that's not how the draft works Robbie....

What would have happened if we drafted him exactly? Just a question for you to ponder......


He would have borrowed Boyd's playbook


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:01 pm 
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-03/b ... iting-call

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CARLTON will spend several weeks assessing its recruiting and list management structure before deciding how to fill the role vacated by head recruiter Shane Rogers.

The Blues announced last week that Rogers, who was head of recruiting at the club since 2012, had quit the club. Having been at Carlton since 2007 – he started as a recruiting officer – Rogers' final day with the Blues was on Friday.

With list manager Stephen Silvagni having only recently started in his new post at the Blues, the club will not rush into making any fresh appointments in the recruiting division after Rogers' departure.

Carlton head of football Andrew McKay told AFL.com.au the Blues' three recruiting officers – Michael Jordan, Glenn Elliott and Dale Harris – would handle responsibilities in the short-term.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:38 pm 
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I think MJ will air-walk this in.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:18 pm 
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I think MJ will air-walk this in.


He's got the bull by the horns.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:34 pm 
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Watch his chic car go right into SR's parking spot.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:35 pm 
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A shame to see Rogers move on. I don't mind several of his selections since he's been the main man. The pressure is on the club to make the SOS appointment work now.
As for Boekhorst, I wish him good luck. The only concern for me is he's still well below AFL fitness. According to the club, he is doing a "75%" preseason, like the first year recruits. If you're going to draft a player who isn't AFL ready, I would have taken an 18 year old instead of a 21 year old.

Hopefully he proves me wrong.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:31 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
A shame to see Rogers move on. I don't mind several of his selections since he's been the main man. The pressure is on the club to make the SOS appointment work now.
As for Boekhorst, I wish him good luck. The only concern for me is he's still well below AFL fitness. According to the club, he is doing a "75%" preseason, like the first year recruits. If you're going to draft a player who isn't AFL ready, I would have taken an 18 year old instead of a 21 year old.

Hopefully he proves me wrong.

He had 62% game time on Friday afternoon, entirely through midfield with numerous repeat sprints.

He was blowing up at the end of quarters and was well spent in the last, but I suspect his fitness will build quickly. With such a light frame for a 21 year old, he'll develop better recovery as much through strengthening his legs and core as he will cardio/anaerobic training.

If he plays round 1 he's probably going to be subbed in or out of the game at some point anyway.

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On another front...
We have changed our minds again and its all about Jeremy Cameron again....

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Is that a surprise to you?

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On another front...
We have changed our minds again and its all about Jeremy Cameron again....


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Didn't we just do a review of our recruiting structure?

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