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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:18 pm 
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Buckley jamison Simpson
Sheehan Rowe Everitt
Boekhurst Gibbs Yarran
Menzel Henderson Tutt
Walker Casboult Kreuzer

Warnock Judd Murphy

ic Thomas, Docherty, Cripps sub jaksch

apologies waley graham


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 11:41 pm 
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No room for curmow?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:20 pm 
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Just shows you curnow is not a shoe in, although i missed him. He could replace cripps but i had cripps in for development. Curnow is not a better flanker, wingman or forward than any I listed. Great thing is we now have: curnow waley jones graham wood carazzo capable of playing senior football add armfield at a stretch. The rest are developing


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:07 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Just shows you curnow is not a shoe in, although i missed him. He could replace cripps but i had cripps in for development. Curnow is not a better flanker, wingman or forward than any I listed. Great thing is we now have: curnow waley jones graham wood carazzo capable of playing senior football add armfield at a stretch. The rest are developing



..seriously, take a look at yourself.. ..you think BB is better than Curnow..?.. ..seriously..??..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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.Daisy, first year hiding in the pocket at 30k/game

....And now sneaks in on the bench

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:04 am 
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Cretylus wrote:
.Daisy, first year hiding in the pocket at 30k/game

....And now sneaks in on the bench



Jezz isn't on the match committee...so, what he thinks doesn't count on match day.
Same to me and you.

But, the point he makes about Curnow not being a shoe in applies to many more players in 2015.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:23 am 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Would be very disappointing if Levi was not given lots of time this year. He took some big steps last year ... and I reckon he is just about ready to dominate.

I would play Kreuz and Levi. Let Kreuz ruck most of the time then swap with Levi for short spells in the forward line.


I agree about Levi. He has just continued to improve each year since he was taken as a heavy set rookie.
He was in the media for his Lowey like buckets and other teams were hovering for his signature.
The same cant be said for Warnock. Levi has qualities highly valued in AFL.

I bet Warnock took his spot as no 1 ruck for granted prior to 2014 season: more so when Kreuzer went down. His efforts reflected his conditioning and mindset IMO because I've seen Warnock play better than he showed in 2014.He became useless and a passenger. I bet he didn't see Wood taking his spot. Cunning fellow that MM.

For Warnock to feature ahead of Kreuzer - Levi combo he has to show ability to mark the ball as a forward and around the ground. He needs to kick some goals and hit the ball to advantage in the ruck. If not, why bother carrying him. Frankly I think he's way behind Kreuzer and Levi but I'm sure he's being coached to improve the areas of weakness and if he can get super fit ..... Don't count on anything till the new season 2015 starts.

2014 is finished. Every player has a couple of months to stake a spot in the first 30, let alone top 25 or 22.

I think all best 22 teams should also include emergencies, because there will have injuries every round including finals. If we don't we will be a top 4 team.

Expect Jones Tutt Dick and Boekhurst to play games.
I can't see Whiley and Jaksch missing out if fit.
Warnock and Wood have plenty of incentive to perform.
Walsh is a driven man.

We have depth and plenty of possibilities.

I like to pick teams with 3 talls forward and 3 talls back because there are times we will have to to match up or to give us an advantage. Thankfully our talls are mobile and can mark. Don't be scared of 6 talls if we have pace and stamina around the ground...Yarran, Murphy, Docherty, Thomas, Judd, Everitt, Walker, boekhurst, Simpson.....hey even Army is there if needed for a role requiring pace...tag Rioli.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:56 pm 
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..well, krooz is spending the off season training up for a new role.... ..so knockers has the ruck yet again.. ....not sure why the investment in Jones and to a lesser extent foster, just after signing up Levi on good coin.. ....I agree that my ruck combo would be krooz and bolt, but of krooz is forward ruck, only Warnock would take the main spot.. ..wood battled hard, and gave more around the ground than knockers, but he isn't a top class main ruck either.. ....instead we will waste more time playing a first class player out of position and then we will whine when he is only average in that 'new role'.. ..brainiacs..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:39 pm 
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If BB at 21 isnt a better pure wingman than Curnow, we shouldnt have selected him

and as for you cret. Daisy is on the bench as first change on the ball, which happens after 5 minutes game timeYour small mind is still in the 70s where rotations consisted of 2 a game.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:56 pm 
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Daisy is a wingman or a half forward at best. He's hardly played on the ball in his first 9 years for a reason.
Cret may be stuck in the 70s but at least he has an idea about the game.
As for Curnow, he was in our best 6 players last year and nothing has changed to date.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:07 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
If BB at 21 isnt a better pure wingman than Curnow, we shouldnt have selected him

and as for you cret. Daisy is on the bench as first change on the ball, which happens after 5 minutes game timeYour small mind is still in the 70s where rotations consisted of 2 a game.


..dial back your expectations.. ....why do you think BB should be better than Curnow..?.. ..the 'mature age' means nothing, just a number, it doesn't mean he is more ready than a seasoned elite runner in Curnow.. ..BB might be better in a few years time but not so fast, give him some time..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:58 pm 
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Anyone who thinks Curnow is a walk up start is kidding themselves...
The bloke is a running machine but, kicking, handballing and decision making is average at best..
We have a few holes to fill,
For me, with a fit list,
Simpson Jamison Buckley
Yarran Rowe Jaksch
Docherty Cripps Walker
Everitt Henderson Thomas
Judd Casboult Menzel
Kreuzer Murphy Gibbs
I/C; Carrazzo Boekhorst Bell
Sub; Grahm/Curnow/Tutt/Rainbow any midfielder/Forward....


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:38 pm 
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So a bloke who finished 4th in our B&F, was our leading tackler isn't a walk up start but someone who hasn't played a game of AFL footy is?
No worries.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:56 am 
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curnow is core 22. bb i think you are kidding yourself.


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 Post subject: Re: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:23 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
So a bloke who finished 4th in our B&F, was our leading tackler isn't a walk up start but someone who hasn't played a game of AFL footy is?
No worries.

When you finish 13th there are very few who deserve to be walk up starts... unless they're happy to finish 13th again.

Clean slate this preseason for everyone to earn a spot in the 22 next year.


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 Post subject: Re: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:39 am 
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Rexy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
So a bloke who finished 4th in our B&F, was our leading tackler isn't a walk up start but someone who hasn't played a game of AFL footy is?
No worries.

When you finish 13th there are very few who deserve to be walk up starts... unless they're happy to finish 13th again.

Clean slate this preseason for everyone to earn a spot in the 22 next year.


..agreed, but Curnow is better than suggested.... ..easily our 4th best midfielder after Judd, Murphy and Gibbs.. ....clean slate for the entire team, but some players are very very strong chances of being picked in the first dozen for senior selection.. ..Curnow is definitely in that group.. ..BB has very little experience, the mature age thingy is just a number..

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 Post subject: Re: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:54 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
So a bloke who finished 4th in our B&F, was our leading tackler isn't a walk up start but someone who hasn't played a game of AFL footy is?
No worries.

When you finish 13th there are very few who deserve to be walk up starts... unless they're happy to finish 13th again.

Clean slate this preseason for everyone to earn a spot in the 22 next year.

Curnow finished 4th in 2013 - when we technically finished 6th though :razz:


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:50 pm 
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Yeah your right, Curnow is elite!!!!!!
We finished 13th for a reason, anyone who thinks Curnow is a walk up start should get off the gear..
Yes he will play 22 games next year, do I agree with it?? Hell no.....
Would Curnow get a game for Hawks/Swans/Freo?? No way, then again probably only 5 or 6 would..
I just don't rate Curnow that high, understand why people do but I dont, why, because he can't kick..
Good run with that's about all..
Not many players are walk up, maybe about 12-15, rest is open but, like many people I don't rate our list that much, plenty of holes to fill...
Again just my silly opinion that counts for little..


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:55 pm 
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Any one who thinks any player from a team that finished 13th is a walk up start is surely kidding themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:08 pm 
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..seriously, I understand and agree with the sentiment.... ..but a good dozen are ahead of the pack in regards to being 'walk up starts'.. ..it would take injury and/or serious off field issues to turn them off..

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