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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:01 pm 
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Cret,

Why don't you describe the previous regimes gameplan first, which was all run forward of the ball because Judd was going to get it. Down hill skiing which mortgaged our future At least with malthouse I can see a willingness to defend first and build a list. Once the list has higher skilled players, we might be able to bring it through the coridoor Your negative low value opinions need to be seen within the context of what went before and what was left behind. We rode on the back of the best player in the comp and a good full forward and killed the future with poor trading and drafting. At least malthouse will leave a list that the next coach can build on, if he is not successful in his own right but you are so agenda driven you won't portion any credit to the malthouse era.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:55 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
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Why don't you describe the previous regimes gameplan first, which was all run forward of the ball because Judd was going to get it. Down hill skiing which mortgaged our future At least with malthouse I can see a willingness to defend first and build a list. Once the list has higher skilled players, we might be able to bring it through the coridoor Your negative low value opinions need to be seen within the context of what went before and what was left behind. We rode on the back of the best player in the comp and a good full forward and killed the future with poor trading and drafting. At least malthouse will leave a list that the next coach can build on, if he is not successful in his own right but you are so agenda driven you won't portion any credit to the malthouse era.


From what I have seen in the first two years of Micks coaching tenure, we have under performed. I don't know one carlton person who thought we would go backwards in 2013 and 2014 when Mick was first appointed (and I include myself in that positive outlook).

Now we may improve in 2015 and make the finals - I hope we do, but the reality of the past 2 years remains. And if you recall Micks comments about our list when he first arrived, he said he was happy with the list and wont be making too many changes.

To suggest that somehow we arent ready or skilled enough to play direct central corridor football is really not the point. Mick doesnt play the central corridor anyway. He went along the wings during the 2010 premiership year. Players cant learn to be dynamic and take the game on, if they play conservative football and a riskless, safe, uncontested and boring brand of football. You dont spend seasons on end learning to be defensive in the hope that one day you will be ready to attack and take the game on - Players and teams simultaneously work on all areas of the game.

And remember the game changes, all the time, in subtle ways, even within seasons. Mick is a very smart coach with lots of experience with individuals and teams. I really dont know what will happen next year.....as usual I will travel to Visy Park sign up again, pay my membership, maybe buy some stuff made in china from the Merchandise Shop for the kids, and walk out thinking, "what the @#$%&! am I doing this again, should have helped out some worthy charity organisation instead?" (maybe that's what we have become - followers rather than ground breaking leaders in excellence. Why expend energy and money on that sort of club culture?)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:12 pm 
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We can only hope after 2 years going backwards ... come on Madhouse ... lift your game!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:31 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Cret,

Why don't you describe the previous regimes gameplan first, which was all run forward of the ball because Judd was going to get it. Down hill skiing which mortgaged our future At least with malthouse I can see a willingness to defend first and build a list. Once the list has higher skilled players, we might be able to bring it through the coridoor Your negative low value opinions need to be seen within the context of what went before and what was left behind. We rode on the back of the best player in the comp and a good full forward and killed the future with poor trading and drafting. At least malthouse will leave a list that the next coach can build on, if he is not successful in his own right but you are so agenda driven you won't portion any credit to the malthouse era.


From what I have seen in the first two years of Micks coaching tenure, we have under performed. I don't know one carlton person who thought we would go backwards in 2013 and 2014 when Mick was first appointed (and I include myself in that positive outlook).

Now we may improve in 2015 and make the finals - I hope we do, but the reality of the past 2 years remains. And if you recall Micks comments about our list when he first arrived, he said he was happy with the list and wont be making too many changes.

To suggest that somehow we arent ready or skilled enough to play direct central corridor football is really not the point. Mick doesnt play the central corridor anyway. He went along the wings during the 2010 premiership year. Players cant learn to be dynamic and take the game on, if they play conservative football and a riskless, safe, uncontested and boring brand of football. You dont spend seasons on end learning to be defensive in the hope that one day you will be ready to attack and take the game on - Players and teams simultaneously work on all areas of the game.

And remember the game changes, all the time, in subtle ways, even within seasons. Mick is a very smart coach with lots of experience with individuals and teams. I really dont know what will happen next year.....as usual I will travel to Visy Park sign up again, pay my membership, maybe buy some stuff made in china from the Merchandise Shop for the kids, and walk out thinking, "what the @#$%&! am I doing this again, should have helped out some worthy charity organisation instead?" (maybe that's what we have become - followers rather than ground breaking leaders in excellence. Why expend energy and money on that sort of club culture?)

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With regards to highlighted question you ask.....maybe because it has nothing to do with all that energy you expended in your post. :lol:

I ask similar questions about my addiction to CFC and my brethren (except the ones I'll punch out one day...because they're pretenders).

Its more about affiliation not alienation.
Its more about the good times not the bad times.
Its more about loyalty and brethren rather than winning and losing.
Its because you care about adding value than adding value to China.

Its just a game and it plays with your passion.

I want to win, and all I expect is that our footballers act in a committed and professional manner, and our off field leaders make the right decsions after doing their due diligence and not bringing politics into my club which may stiflr it.

There's bad decisions through bad luck and there's bad decisions through negligence. I dont really know which is which but what I do know is that the recruiters did a pathetic job over the last decade and the Elliot/ Parkin regime only thought about today and not tomorrow which put us in the position we're in. What has that got to do with the boot studder? the coach? the new recruitments team? the current board?

You do it for the love of Carlton. Its simple, so dont make it too complex.

I'm just about to call the club about renewing my family's and other friends' memberships..so we can vote for the heritage jumper, and to find out where all the footga efrom the Social day at the club is. Simple stuff really where the club fails but will improve.

You know, I've never used my membership to get into games around australia, I just pay for the privelege. But I am calling the club to find out the process to get into games as a member because its all been too hard in the past through Ticketek etc and going with non members, which usually happens when im intestate.

Why should I?...CFC brings me more enjoyment and entertainment than tears, despite being tested since 2002.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:01 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Cret,

Why don't you describe the previous regimes gameplan first, which was all run forward of the ball because Judd was going to get it. Down hill skiing which mortgaged our future At least with malthouse I can see a willingness to defend first and build a list. Once the list has higher skilled players, we might be able to bring it through the coridoor Your negative low value opinions need to be seen within the context of what went before and what was left behind. We rode on the back of the best player in the comp and a good full forward and killed the future with poor trading and drafting. At least malthouse will leave a list that the next coach can build on, if he is not successful in his own right but you are so agenda driven you won't portion any credit to the malthouse era.


From what I have seen in the first two years of Micks coaching tenure, we have under performed. I don't know one carlton person who thought we would go backwards in 2013 and 2014 when Mick was first appointed (and I include myself in that positive outlook).

Now we may improve in 2015 and make the finals - I hope we do, but the reality of the past 2 years remains. And if you recall Micks comments about our list when he first arrived, he said he was happy with the list and wont be making too many changes.

To suggest that somehow we arent ready or skilled enough to play direct central corridor football is really not the point. Mick doesnt play the central corridor anyway. He went along the wings during the 2010 premiership year. Players cant learn to be dynamic and take the game on, if they play conservative football and a riskless, safe, uncontested and boring brand of football. You dont spend seasons on end learning to be defensive in the hope that one day you will be ready to attack and take the game on - Players and teams simultaneously work on all areas of the game.

And remember the game changes, all the time, in subtle ways, even within seasons. Mick is a very smart coach with lots of experience with individuals and teams. I really dont know what will happen next year.....as usual I will travel to Visy Park sign up again, pay my membership, maybe buy some stuff made in china from the Merchandise Shop for the kids, and walk out thinking, "what the @#$%&! am I doing this again, should have helped out some worthy charity organisation instead?" (maybe that's what we have become - followers rather than ground breaking leaders in excellence. Why expend energy and money on that sort of club culture?)

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You know me Cret albeit over the keyboard. But I openly stated we would go backwards under Malthouse

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:58 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Cret,

Why don't you describe the previous regimes gameplan first, which was all run forward of the ball because Judd was going to get it. Down hill skiing which mortgaged our future At least with malthouse I can see a willingness to defend first and build a list. Once the list has higher skilled players, we might be able to bring it through the coridoor Your negative low value opinions need to be seen within the context of what went before and what was left behind. We rode on the back of the best player in the comp and a good full forward and killed the future with poor trading and drafting. At least malthouse will leave a list that the next coach can build on, if he is not successful in his own right but you are so agenda driven you won't portion any credit to the malthouse era.


From what I have seen in the first two years of Micks coaching tenure, we have under performed. I don't know one carlton person who thought we would go backwards in 2013 and 2014 when Mick was first appointed (and I include myself in that positive outlook).

Now we may improve in 2015 and make the finals - I hope we do, but the reality of the past 2 years remains. And if you recall Micks comments about our list when he first arrived, he said he was happy with the list and wont be making too many changes.

To suggest that somehow we arent ready or skilled enough to play direct central corridor football is really not the point. Mick doesnt play the central corridor anyway. He went along the wings during the 2010 premiership year. Players cant learn to be dynamic and take the game on, if they play conservative football and a riskless, safe, uncontested and boring brand of football. You dont spend seasons on end learning to be defensive in the hope that one day you will be ready to attack and take the game on - Players and teams simultaneously work on all areas of the game.

And remember the game changes, all the time, in subtle ways, even within seasons. Mick is a very smart coach with lots of experience with individuals and teams. I really dont know what will happen next year.....as usual I will travel to Visy Park sign up again, pay my membership, maybe buy some stuff made in china from the Merchandise Shop for the kids, and walk out thinking, "what the @#$%&! am I doing this again, should have helped out some worthy charity organisation instead?" (maybe that's what we have become - followers rather than ground breaking leaders in excellence. Why expend energy and money on that sort of club culture?)

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You know me Cret albeit over the keyboard. But I openly stated we would go backwards under Malthouse

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:39 am 
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Cretylus wrote:
I don't know one carlton person who thought we would go backwards in 2013 and 2014 when Mick was first appointed


There was a minority of us who predicted before 2013 that it wouldn't take Malthouse long to realise that what we really need is, effectively, a rebuild of sorts. I think it's played out that way.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:22 pm 
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yeah but apart from you guys show me anyone who thought that!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:17 pm 
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I also agree with aboynamedsue, I said that Mick would come in & turn over the team. I also said round2 last year we need to be blooding the kids as to who can play...Albeit we did but had to wait months for that to happen. Maybe Malthouse wanted everyone of the then current seniors to be evaluated to the maximum. He has done this everywhere he went. Yes we did need a rebuild but done right. It all takes time lads, but I believe we are on the right track.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:28 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
I don't know one carlton person who thought we would go backwards in 2013 and 2014 when Mick was first appointed


There was a minority of us who predicted before 2013 that it wouldn't take Malthouse long to realise that what we really need is, effectively, a rebuild of sorts. I think it's played out that way.

i dunno why he said he doesnt know one person.. when he knows me.. and i told him THAT WAS LIKELY..
our recruitment and list management is something that has not been addressed by those who thought we wouldnt slip back

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I said it because he was a shit coach whose us by date was up and was moved on by Collingwood
The changes he has made to the list and game style is akin to what Pagan did
We have years of misery ahead of us

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I said it because he was a shit coach whose us by date was up and was moved on by Collingwood
The changes he has made to the list and game style is akin to what Pagan did
We have years of misery ahead of us


A shit coach doesn't win 3 premierships, from 6 grand final appearances.

The game may have gone past him - thats a different question. Next years results will answer that question.

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Cretylus wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
I said it because he was a shit coach whose us by date was up and was moved on by Collingwood
The changes he has made to the list and game style is akin to what Pagan did
We have years of misery ahead of us


A shit coach doesn't win 3 premierships, from 6 grand final appearances.

The game may have gone past him - thats a different question. Next years results will answer that question.

I can't see where the improvement is going to come from

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:14 am 
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Why bother supporting footy Sydney?
Got any other hobbies? I think this sort of depressive behaviour will send you to an early grave.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:38 am 
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dane wrote:
Why bother supporting footy Sydney?
Got any other hobbies? I think this sort of depressive behaviour will send you to an early grave.

You think Im bad at supporting footy .Don't get me started on cricket and the selectors.

I love footy just don't like seeing the club continue to make dumb decisions

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:22 am 
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Sydney. This is the first time in ages, where we actually seem to have a plan.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:32 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
dane wrote:
Why bother supporting footy Sydney?
Got any other hobbies? I think this sort of depressive behaviour will send you to an early grave.

You think Im bad at supporting footy .Don't get me started on cricket and the selectors.

I love footy just don't like seeing the club continue to make dumb decisions


What does make you happy? Have you smiled about anything recently?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:40 am 
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dane wrote:
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dane wrote:
Why bother supporting footy Sydney?
Got any other hobbies? I think this sort of depressive behaviour will send you to an early grave.

You think Im bad at supporting footy .Don't get me started on cricket and the selectors.

I love footy just don't like seeing the club continue to make dumb decisions


What does make you happy? Have you smiled about anything recently?

Always smiling Dane

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:43 am 
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Not on TC!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:46 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Sydney. This is the first time in ages, where we actually seem to have a plan.

You think so
I cant see it .
It resembles 2003 - 2005 if you ask me .Recruiting a bunch of try hards that have been struggling to break through in teams below us.
I hope it works but you have to question how a team that is full of kids like GWS who were rotating players in and out of the side on a regular basis to get games into them and we grab 2 blokes who weren't part of that regular rotation

Hope it works and hope we finally see some improvements.
But right at this moment I can't see it.
But I have been wrong before

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