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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:58 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:37 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
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Yep...absolute certainty

So for some, its almost 1100 days and counting

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:27 pm 
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DEspite my support for MM I am not happy with his comments about free agency.

He's happy to let go Waite as he did for Betts because we scored an injured FA who wasnt valued by his previous club.

Bettsy had a much bigger year than Thomas. We lost there in 2014.

MM can leave those sort of comments back in the pits of Ballarat where he came from.

Waite is a son of Carlton and he should be encouraged to stay given we get SFA if he leaves.

What's there to gain by those comments MM? Dont you realise the resurgence of Carlton is something to do with Waite's form not your masterstroke?

I am furious about his nonchalant attitude towards Carltonians.

Waite isnt going to win us a flag next year, but then again we might...if we can get a fit FA who will make a difference and a couple of good trades.

I'm not happy. MM better have something big up his sleeve if Waitey goes for zilch because he doesnt suck up....what did he do with Thomas? Everitt? MM has lways sucked up to his players.

Im hoping MM knows Waite's mind is made up, and then I wonder why play him in that case.
I hope MM is right on this because he is making just as big a fool of me as he is of himself if he isnt.


Think MM is only being realistic re: his comments on FA. It's the new landscape that empowers the players, he doesn't shy away from that but can't control a players movement where the players have the control over their next contract.

He's openly said he wants JW in the navy, and the club has offered him a contract but can't force him to sign. Hopefully we're not going to be held to ransom again by Jarrad and his management.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:26 am 
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Mick's future will be determined by his and the team's performance next year. He certainly hasn't earned an extension at this stage, and any decision can be made at the end of next year. No-one is trying to poach him and thus far we have been performing ordinarily on and off the field.

I expect us to improve next year, despite the draw this week, we had a shocking year. Talent wise we are not great but I think we are about at the level of Nth, Richmond, WCE, Crows and yet we were 5 wins and 15% behind 8th. Our medium long future is ordinary. Maybe we are as far away from a flag as Mick was when he arrived at the Pies, Is he going to still be at Carlton in a decade at 70+? I doubt it.

What I hope is that we don't go for a short term fix that will get us to 6-8th. We need to use the draft that is where you get genuine stars. If you want to get a star via trade you give up lots and invariably really good players don't change clubs. Thomas is a leader and was a great player at the Pies but this year he was a $250k player so he needs to be a $1m player for the next three years. Getting an Everitt is good but stars come from the draft, every time you give up a draft pick, that might be Fyffe, Parker, Hanneberry, Rockcliff, Beams you miss. Look at what was available when we gave up pick #12 for McLean.
To get real class into the side we need to rely on the draft. Whoever coaches over the next 3-4 years needs to be coaching for that. Trade to get the icing but the substance of the cake is in the draft and the more picks you have the better chance you have of getting a star.

I think any assessment of clubs under 24 players would have us near 18th. I think we have a long wait and we cannot stuff up again as we have managed to do so many times.


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SurreyBlue wrote:
Effes wrote:
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Sheep mentality...... :razz:


the irony is lost on this one

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gerry atric wrote:
Mick's future will be determined by his and the team's performance next year. He certainly hasn't earned an extension at this stage, and any decision can be made at the end of next year. No-one is trying to poach him and thus far we have been performing ordinarily on and off the field.

I expect us to improve next year, despite the draw this week, we had a shocking year. Talent wise we are not great but I think we are about at the level of Nth, Richmond, WCE, Crows and yet we were 5 wins and 15% behind 8th. Our medium long future is ordinary. Maybe we are as far away from a flag as Mick was when he arrived at the Pies, Is he going to still be at Carlton in a decade at 70+? I doubt it.

What I hope is that we don't go for a short term fix that will get us to 6-8th. We need to use the draft that is where you get genuine stars. If you want to get a star via trade you give up lots and invariably really good players don't change clubs. Thomas is a leader and was a great player at the Pies but this year he was a $250k player so he needs to be a $1m player for the next three years. Getting an Everitt is good but stars come from the draft, every time you give up a draft pick, that might be Fyffe, Parker, Hanneberry, Rockcliff, Beams you miss. Look at what was available when we gave up pick #12 for McLean.
To get real class into the side we need to rely on the draft. Whoever coaches over the next 3-4 years needs to be coaching for that. Trade to get the icing but the substance of the cake is in the draft and the more picks you have the better chance you have of getting a star.

I think any assessment of clubs under 24 players would have us near 18th. I think we have a long wait and we cannot stuff up again as we have managed to do so many times.


You just hope they have a plan for the long term and don't make another list management mistake and recruit Higgins. Build a list that is capable of making the top 4...adding Higgins will tie up cap space which could be used for something far more productive.

This is an interesting comment: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... a69be74a36

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Trigg said the Blues also had to add resources to their coaching department, which was “a little depleted”.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:59 am 
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Effes wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
Mick's future will be determined by his and the team's performance next year. He certainly hasn't earned an extension at this stage, and any decision can be made at the end of next year. No-one is trying to poach him and thus far we have been performing ordinarily on and off the field.

I expect us to improve next year, despite the draw this week, we had a shocking year. Talent wise we are not great but I think we are about at the level of Nth, Richmond, WCE, Crows and yet we were 5 wins and 15% behind 8th. Our medium long future is ordinary. Maybe we are as far away from a flag as Mick was when he arrived at the Pies, Is he going to still be at Carlton in a decade at 70+? I doubt it.

What I hope is that we don't go for a short term fix that will get us to 6-8th. We need to use the draft that is where you get genuine stars. If you want to get a star via trade you give up lots and invariably really good players don't change clubs. Thomas is a leader and was a great player at the Pies but this year he was a $250k player so he needs to be a $1m player for the next three years. Getting an Everitt is good but stars come from the draft, every time you give up a draft pick, that might be Fyffe, Parker, Hanneberry, Rockcliff, Beams you miss. Look at what was available when we gave up pick #12 for McLean.
To get real class into the side we need to rely on the draft. Whoever coaches over the next 3-4 years needs to be coaching for that. Trade to get the icing but the substance of the cake is in the draft and the more picks you have the better chance you have of getting a star.

I think any assessment of clubs under 24 players would have us near 18th. I think we have a long wait and we cannot stuff up again as we have managed to do so many times.


You just hope they have a plan for the long term and don't make another list management mistake and recruit Higgins. Build a list that is capable of making the top 4...adding Higgins will tie up cap space which could be used for something far more productive.

This is an interesting comment: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... a69be74a36

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Trigg said the Blues also had to add resources to their coaching department, which was “a little depleted”.

Re Higgins and tying up cap space - it all depends on who wants to come to Carlton.

If there is room in the cap after all other offers have been rejected I think Higgins is a better option than a 5th round 18yo or an existing list clogger rotting in the bullants


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Rexy wrote:
Effes wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
Mick's future will be determined by his and the team's performance next year. He certainly hasn't earned an extension at this stage, and any decision can be made at the end of next year. No-one is trying to poach him and thus far we have been performing ordinarily on and off the field.

I expect us to improve next year, despite the draw this week, we had a shocking year. Talent wise we are not great but I think we are about at the level of Nth, Richmond, WCE, Crows and yet we were 5 wins and 15% behind 8th. Our medium long future is ordinary. Maybe we are as far away from a flag as Mick was when he arrived at the Pies, Is he going to still be at Carlton in a decade at 70+? I doubt it.

What I hope is that we don't go for a short term fix that will get us to 6-8th. We need to use the draft that is where you get genuine stars. If you want to get a star via trade you give up lots and invariably really good players don't change clubs. Thomas is a leader and was a great player at the Pies but this year he was a $250k player so he needs to be a $1m player for the next three years. Getting an Everitt is good but stars come from the draft, every time you give up a draft pick, that might be Fyffe, Parker, Hanneberry, Rockcliff, Beams you miss. Look at what was available when we gave up pick #12 for McLean.
To get real class into the side we need to rely on the draft. Whoever coaches over the next 3-4 years needs to be coaching for that. Trade to get the icing but the substance of the cake is in the draft and the more picks you have the better chance you have of getting a star.

I think any assessment of clubs under 24 players would have us near 18th. I think we have a long wait and we cannot stuff up again as we have managed to do so many times.


You just hope they have a plan for the long term and don't make another list management mistake and recruit Higgins. Build a list that is capable of making the top 4...adding Higgins will tie up cap space which could be used for something far more productive.

This is an interesting comment: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... a69be74a36

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Trigg said the Blues also had to add resources to their coaching department, which was “a little depleted”.

Re Higgins and tying up cap space - it all depends on who wants to come to Carlton.

If there is room in the cap after all other offers have been rejected I think Higgins is a better option than a 5th round 18yo or an existing list clogger rotting in the bullants


You can front load contracts and then have a war chest down the track.

Hawthorn lost Buddy and didn't spend the loot straight away. Trigg's comments are promising - this can't be a five minute job.

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Triggs saying all the right things I agree, but its a mammoth task he and McKay have got in front of them.
They must rejig micks contract though - he's getting too much of the coaching pool of money.
The coaching panel structure needs overhauling.


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Rexy wrote:
Triggs saying all the right things I agree, but its a mammoth task he and McKay have got in front of them.
They must rejig micks contract though - he's getting too much of the coaching pool of money.
The coaching panel structure needs overhauling.


I was listening to that interview on ABC yesterday.
Trigg says any new coaching staff have to be approved by MM.
Sellers says..no they don't. :grin:

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SurreyBlue wrote:
Effes wrote:
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Sheep mentality...... :razz:


Well, I was trying for irony, given the colour scheme resemblance but difference in content. :wink:

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