Collingwood fans are in 2 camps. I have 2 good friends that are Pies fans. 1 in each camp.

1 believes Eddie let the best coach leave because of his man crush on Bucks and the club is going backwards. From winning a flag with a young team in 2010 to rebuilding in 2013-4.

The other strongly believes Bucks is taking them in the right direction because with their young talent, they will be peaking in 2-3 years. We spoke for 10min about it this week. At the end of it, I told him in the whole 10 min argument he didnt speak about structures, gameplan or any coaching abilities just the actual young talent there. To me he was saying Hines is a good recruiter rather than Bucks can coach. He said after that, we'll have to agree to disagree

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I reckon MM has finished deprogramming the players. Now he's rebuilding them. Next year will be sizzling.
Last two years has been a bust ladder-wise, but invaluable for the long term. I'm hot for Mick.

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Yes malthouse contract should be reviewed half way during 2015 and our list is getting old which is worry.How important is this year draft.

Bit by bit you can see the players hardening up. Yes, poor skills, poor decision-making and constantly losing close games to good opposition is still an issue, but the flakiness seen during the Pagan/Ratten years (and earlier this year in games against GWS and Brisbane) is starting to become a thing of the past.

The important thing now is to recruit well this off-season, sort out these injury problems to key personnel (seriously, if I have to hear "Kreuzer gone for the season" one more @#$%&! time I'll lose my shit), drum more ruthlessness into the team and get the right people and systems around Mick to get the most out of this playing group.

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Has the flakiness disappeared because the season was shot? Really had nothing to play for for a while now. When the season was on the line the flakiness was on show - see the Essendon*, Melbourne, Brisbane games.

Started '13 and '14 very poorly. Lots of poor pre seasons impacting this year.

Hopefully the club does not go after any flaky injury prone types like Higgins in the off season.

Does MM still think the list as [REDACTED] (as he's apparently told the board).

Are the club going to build a list capable of challenging for a flag or is it going to be more haphazard list management? Will they be fooled by some ok form in the second half of the year?

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All good questions Effes.
Publicly McKay has said 4 kids are coming in and we will target 21-22 year olds from other clubs.
I hope we stick to that statement.

I can see the most extensive draft player review ever occurring this year at Carlton. 4 kids plus more in the rookie draft. Higgins I would take outside of the 21-22 age bracket for free.

List transformation will be in a good spot after this summer I'd say.

Good points all-round. Mick and the club as a whole (including the players) need to capitalise and make all the frustration worth it.

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2 years to deprogram?

Was that the goal when he took over.?

Wasn't the list quality the problem?

Are you now saying that its not the personnel but their attitude and mental application which have been contaminated by inferior programming?

Interesting apologetics.

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Biggest worry is the improvement in tge last 4-5 weeks has been on the back of good performances from Waite Judd Carrotts and Jamo
Murph Gibbs and Rowe have been good all year
Still dont see any of the younger blokes stepping up
Docherty has been good but is like a scared rabbit and fumbles a lot when under pressure

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I see the world a bit differently from you is all, Cretylus.

When an executive enters a workplace, they often write a 90-day summary of their thoughts on the new gig for their team to read. Often it summarises what they’ve seen, what’s working, what’s not, and what they’re going to do about it.

I see a coaches appointment the same, with one caveat: I think it takes the first 90 days of a premiership season for the coach to understand who ‘has’ it and who doesn’t. It’s all good and well to see players burn it up on the training track, shouting instructions like they’re born leaders, and so on, but it’s all for shit if they fail under pressure of playing for premiership points.

So when people say things like: “OMG lol he’s had two years lol,” I think to myself … well … I think to myself lol, basically. In my mind, Malthouse ‘found out’ about his players mid-season last year. And I reckon we ALL subsequently found out about them in the Sydney final.

Fast forward to almost a year later, and yes – I think Malthouse has deprogrammed the shitness out of the players. I really do. I think he’s changed the ‘near enough is good enough’ / Carlton strut / kick it to Juddy / fragile mentality of yesteryear, and replaced it with … grit I think is a suitable word.

It’s all opinion and speculation, of course.

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Rowe was not good at the start of the year (Remember Vickery). He has improved as the season has gone on. Rowe was awesome in the SANFL when he had confidence and knew he could win contests. Rowe will be awesome next year now that he has belief in himself and another pre-season under his belt. He played his best game for the season last night.

Bell has been awesome the last two weeks.

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Will be given a 2 year extension if not at seasons end then mid year next year at the latest

yep. completely agree with your posts and also the points raised by effes.
great to see the improving..still some concerns to hopefully iron out in the near future.

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Going to add, that it is a pleasure to see MM making the effort to be civil when representing our club.
Cudos to our Prez. and good on MM for taking it on board.
Good not to be cringing at the end of games..
He can't hide it with 'Stevo' but..who wouldn't agree with that anyway.

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His voice is infuriating and he comes across as a total smartarse, maybe it is just me.

the saddest sack there ever was.
'cloud of rain'

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Not sure the flakiness has disappeared to be honest. You do make a good point though - re: when the season was on the line.

One can argue that when the game is on the line, we are still flakey - even more so.

You only need to see the closing minutes in last nights game - especially the last minute when we gained possession in the back pocket and were 6 points down. We milked the clock - never seen that before in my time of following football - I hope they were tanking for a better first round draft pick. Otherwise something is seriously wrong with this group of players.

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Youngers guys not stepping up?

Buckley
Bell
Graham
Sheehan
Menzel

Off a low fitness base and hindered by injury, Cripps has done everything asked of him in the NB's, look forward to seeing him in the last few rounds.


Dock is a gun, has been excellent considering his inexperience and limited pre-season.

Smell the roses, SB

And it's not exactly like Murph, Hendo and Gibbs are on their last legs.