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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:59 am 
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I've heard on the grapevine Woosha may be coming over

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:58 am 
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So in the last two weeks Micks had plenty to say and as he talks in riddles all the time we need to see what he really meant

Mick Said (MS)- We are playing the best football in 18 months
What Mick Meant (WMM)- dont sack me
MS - we seem to take the game up to top sides and slacken off against sides around us
WMM- Top sides drop their intensity against us
MS- Yarran is elite
WMM- Iv'e turned Yarran into to a good footballer
MS- If I wasn't coaching I'd hate the game.
WMM- I have no understanding of whats going on in the modern game and I hate losing
MS- I will leave it up to Judd to make the call on if he plays next year
WMM- Judd I don't care if your here or not but regardless your not getting the big bucks
MS- Or guy makes a mistake and Sidebottom kicks the goal its a difference in class
WMM- curnow your a spud and I wish Swanny was still here to get Sidebottom to the club
MS- Waite needs to learn what we are trying to do as a team
WMM- Piss off Waite I dont want you
MS- Gartlett needs to tackle more and kick goals
WMM- I'm sick of this bloke missing easy goals and missing tackles
MS- I would have like to Kruezer all year as a forward ruckman
WMM- Levi your useless and I wish Kruezer was playing and Kruezer youre not a ruckamn and if you want to keep playing you better turn your self into a forward
MS- Some guys like Daisy sometimes try to hard and over commit
WMM- I love you daisy and I dont care how many turnovers and tackles you miss you will still get a game
MS - Guys like Holman Cripps sheehan and Byrne are knocking on the door for selection
WMM- We are tanking

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:08 am 
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Blue4ever wrote:
Based on some of the comments on this site all we need to do is head hunt Clarkson, Hinkley and Longmire and they will wave their magic wand and turn our VERY average list to a competitive top 8 side.

Our list is crap folks, if you do not believe this make your way to the next NB game and see what is coming through.

Anger and dissapointment IMO should be directed to Hughes and Ratten. MM may not be the answer but I would blame 80% of our current situation on Hughes/Ratts/List Management.


Well said

Your in the minority here you realize


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:09 am 
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choo wrote:
Perhaps MM knows Curnow well enough to know what he can and can't say.
I'd guess Buttifant could give him an insight.
He is a long time family friend and Ed goes out with his daughter.
MM has been doing this for a while.


Well said too


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:05 am 
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Sugarcane wrote:
Blue4ever wrote:
Based on some of the comments on this site all we need to do is head hunt Clarkson, Hinkley and Longmire and they will wave their magic wand and turn our VERY average list to a competitive top 8 side.

Our list is crap folks, if you do not believe this make your way to the next NB game and see what is coming through.

Anger and dissapointment IMO should be directed to Hughes and Ratten. MM may not be the answer but I would blame 80% of our current situation on Hughes/Ratts/List Management.


Well said

Your in the minority here you realize


Agree.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:13 am 
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
I've heard on the grapevine Woosha may be coming over


To do what, teagueyubeauty? Assistant? Footy boss? I'm losing track of job opportunities at CFC.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:24 am 
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To be honest, I don't know even though I tried to dig but just got told to "watch this space"

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:24 am 
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Blue4ever wrote:
Based on some of the comments on this site all we need to do is head hunt Clarkson, Hinkley and Longmire and they will wave their magic wand and turn our VERY average list to a competitive top 8 side.

Our list is crap folks, if you do not believe this make your way to the next NB game and see what is coming through.

Anger and dissapointment IMO should be directed to Hughes and Ratten. MM may not be the answer but I would blame 80% of our current situation on Hughes/Ratts/List Management.


This.

We are so far behind the pace with list management, and our recruitment has only just come back 'on par' recently.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:28 am 
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Sugarcane wrote:
choo wrote:
Perhaps MM knows Curnow well enough to know what he can and can't say.
I'd guess Buttifant could give him an insight.
He is a long time family friend and Ed goes out with his daughter.
MM has been doing this for a while.


Well said too


I agree
You'd expect that Mick knew that Ed would be ok with the statement.

However it still leaves a bad taste... would have been better not to be specific.

It's pretty hard to find good taggers with elite endurance that are also good kicks under pressure.
Let alone ones who have been rookied through a couple of clubs on the way ...

Ed is a gem... just not the guy you want kicking the ball when the match is on the line.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:59 am 
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It wasn't Curnow's sole responsibility we were behind in the game.

Curnow made the right decision, it was the execution that was poor.

It's a bit of a double-edged sword, if you replace Curnow with an elite midfielder who does the stopping jobs on Pendelbury etc?

Mistakes happen and focusing on Curnow's late error is a bit of a side issue.

Move on.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:15 pm 
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Bluey44 wrote:
Sugarcane wrote:
choo wrote:
Perhaps MM knows Curnow well enough to know what he can and can't say.
I'd guess Buttifant could give him an insight.
He is a long time family friend and Ed goes out with his daughter.
MM has been doing this for a while.


Well said too


I agree
You'd expect that Mick knew that Ed would be ok with the statement.

However it still leaves a bad taste... would have been better not to be specific.

It's pretty hard to find good taggers with elite endurance that are also good kicks under pressure.
Let alone ones who have been rookied through a couple of clubs on the way ...

Ed is a gem... just not the guy you want kicking the ball when the match is on the line.



We need to remember all this started with MM talking to 5AA.
He was asked what he said to Curnow after that kick.
It was shown on the tv with Ed on the phone directly after.
MM told him basically understood his thoughts and liked the idea but 'a mans gots to know his limitations'.
He also stressed that he had been encouraging Curnow to trust his kicking more after being discouraged by Ratten.

The one resounding feature of MM is that players seem to love him and that internally he is very different to what the public, and more particularly, the media see. He loves the siege mentality and whether we like it or not, that's his modus operandi so.

Incidentally, if you get an opportunity to listen to MM on 5AA each week, you will get an insight into what the players and those close to him see.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:41 pm 
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Love how the players are getting away scott free again, and its all Micks fault for hurting the poor darlings; feelings.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:51 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Love how the players are getting away scott free again, and its all Micks fault for hurting the poor darlings; feelings.


Tend to agree. Expectations and accountability has increased. Some have stepped up, some have fallen away.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:04 pm 
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Locke wrote:
Agree, as soon as Garlett, Waite and Curnow aren't at the club we'll be a powerhouse.

Can we delist them now ala Bootsma?

Lol
Ironically waite has been a serviceable key forward for years
Garlett has been pretty good, a yr or two ago he was our 2nd leading goal kicker at the club.
Curnow has been pretty serviceable for last cpl years.

Maybe this stagant, slow down the game, kick along the wing and to contests all the time has limited waite and garlett from performing to their best.

I think garlett wants out of the club as he isnt motivated playing under malthouse. If he isnt chasing he will be traded and once traded im sure he will recapture that 45 goal+ season.

As for waite, limited ball use and always playing in contested marking contests always limits his potential. But lets blame waitey. When he doesnt play we rarely win by history.

Really cant believe the crap out of malthouse. He is too old school. Do this or I put u in reserves. Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesnt. What motivates players is winning the most. Not being singled out for a old school game plan that is dysfunctional in todays game.

Cfc should start the auto renewal process for memberships now. I dont think malthouse gives members any hope of future success. Will be dropping like flies next year. Its got to the stage of blaming individual players and not taking any accountability. It is his fault he cant get them motivated and that is his job.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:11 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
Love how the players are getting away scott free again, and its all Micks fault for hurting the poor darlings; feelings.


Tend to agree. Expectations and accountability has increased. Some have stepped up, some have fallen away.


You'd think a guy whose been in the caper for 30 years, and is famous for his man management skills would know what he's doing. But no, not at Carlton. He's a dud and he's lost the players apparently.

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Locke wrote:
Agree, as soon as Garlett, Waite and Curnow aren't at the club we'll be a powerhouse.

Can we delist them now ala Bootsma?

Lol
Ironically waite has been a serviceable key forward for years
Garlett has been pretty good, a yr or two ago he was our 2nd leading goal kicker at the club.
Curnow has been pretty serviceable for last cpl years.

Maybe this stagant, slow down the game, kick along the wing and to contests all the time has limited waite and garlett from performing to their best.

I think garlett wants out of the club as he isnt motivated playing under malthouse. If he isnt chasing he will be traded and once traded im sure he will recapture that 45 goal+ season.

As for waite, limited ball use and always playing in contested marking contests always limits his potential. But lets blame waitey. When he doesnt play we rarely win by history.

Really cant believe the crap out of malthouse. He is too old school. Do this or I put u in reserves. Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesnt. What motivates players is winning the most. Not being singled out for a old school game plan that is dysfunctional in todays game.

Cfc should start the auto renewal process for memberships now. I dont think malthouse gives members any hope of future success. Will be dropping like flies next year. Its got to the stage of blaming individual players and not taking any accountability. It is his fault he cant get them motivated and that is his job.


Waite has been an erratic forward for years, not a serviceable forward. Hes similar to Fev. Peter Pan syndrome. A child's mind in an adults body. He's lazy and immature. He just doesn't get it.
As for Jeffy G, for someone who doesn't want to play under Mick, who was our leading goalkicker last year, and who was coaching us then ?
Ever think that Jeffy isn't in a good headspace right now, and footy might be the last thing on his mind ? No, its Mick's fault.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:12 pm 
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So what you are basically saying Goltz, is that it's no problems for a player like Jeffy to pick and choose when he's motivated to put in 100%.

That it's perfectly fine for effort to be conditional.

Synners is right - if that's the mentality of the playing group we really are at ground zero.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:19 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
Blue4ever wrote:
Based on some of the comments on this site all we need to do is head hunt Clarkson, Hinkley and Longmire and they will wave their magic wand and turn our VERY average list to a competitive top 8 side.

Our list is crap folks, if you do not believe this make your way to the next NB game and see what is coming through.

Anger and dissapointment IMO should be directed to Hughes and Ratten. MM may not be the answer but I would blame 80% of our current situation on Hughes/Ratts/List Management.

Agree totally. No matter who was coach right now and in the future (Ratten or anyone else) would be feeling the pain of the deplorable list management, recruiting and development processes and decisions that were made during the Hughes and Ratten tenure.

You cannot fail in 3 consecutive drafts and expect not to feel it.

Couldnt agree more. Its hard to comprehend how our list has come to this, something that many of us on this forum could see coming.
Ratten and Hughes are responsible for the state of our list, some of the dumbest trades and draft selections.
While i dont think MM will be our next premiership coach, unless he coaches until he is 70, but he has the guts to make the hard calls on players and will leave the list in a better state when he goes.
Its just so frustrating.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:24 pm 
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kezza wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Blue4ever wrote:
Based on some of the comments on this site all we need to do is head hunt Clarkson, Hinkley and Longmire and they will wave their magic wand and turn our VERY average list to a competitive top 8 side.

Our list is crap folks, if you do not believe this make your way to the next NB game and see what is coming through.

Anger and dissapointment IMO should be directed to Hughes and Ratten. MM may not be the answer but I would blame 80% of our current situation on Hughes/Ratts/List Management.

Agree totally. No matter who was coach right now and in the future (Ratten or anyone else) would be feeling the pain of the deplorable list management, recruiting and development processes and decisions that were made during the Hughes and Ratten tenure.

You cannot fail in 3 consecutive drafts and expect not to feel it.

Couldnt agree more. Its hard to comprehend how our list has come to this, something that many of us on this forum could see coming.
Ratten and Hughes are responsible for the state of our list, some of the dumbest trades and draft selections.
While i dont think MM will be our next premiership coach, unless he coaches until he is 70, but he has the guts to make the hard calls on players and will leave the list in a better state when he goes.
Its just so frustrating.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:25 pm 
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So far Malthouse has had major troubles adapting to modern football. He's competing with coaches ten to twenty years plus younger than him, so it is understandable he'd have trouble keeping up.

We're treading water until we can get some fresh, innovative ideas into the head coaching position. Our current gameplan and structures are some of the most deplorable in the competition, by a very long way.


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