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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:24 pm 
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it was an extention .. which stretched his contract out to 3 years..... just in case someone came in and stole him from us....


I bet they heard the Eagles were interested. Just like the Eagles were interested in Bootsma.

Genius.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:26 pm 
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I'm pretty sure it was used in the equation to re-sign Bootsma and Watson. Possibly also used to determine three years for Carrots and Jamo were appropriate at their age.

For the 1,000th time. Carrazzo wasnt given a 3 year contract. :banghead: :banghead:


Please refer to the link in Dane's post...

Prior to the commencement of the 2013 season "Carrazzo signed a contract extension until the end of 2015"...

Now let's see... 2013 + 2014 + 2015... now whatever you want to call it, he is contracted for that period of time... and that equals 3 years! :banghead:

I hope you don't work with numbers... :grin:

He was already contracted for 2013. As it against AFL rules to change a contract after TPP numbers are submitted he re-signed for 2014 + 2015. Thats TWO years. :mad: :mad:


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:29 pm 
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So the net effect was that we decided at Carrot's age that contracting him for a period ending three years from the time of negotiation/signing was a good idea. This coming off him not playing a lot of games in 2012 (granted for reasons largely outside his control -thanks Lonergan you dog).

Makes perfect sense -after all he has an irreplaceable skill set.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:32 pm 
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Punter22 wrote:
So the net effect was that we decided at Carrot's age that contracting him for a period ending three years from the time of negotiation/signing was a good idea. This coming off him not playing a lot of games in 2012 (granted for reasons largely outside his control -thanks Lonergan you dog).

Makes perfect sense.

Well, actually it was contracting him for a period ending closer to 2 1/2 years from negotiation/signing.
But, yes i get your point.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:54 pm 
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kezza wrote:
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So the net effect was that we decided at Carrot's age that contracting him for a period ending three years from the time of negotiation/signing was a good idea. This coming off him not playing a lot of games in 2012 (granted for reasons largely outside his control -thanks Lonergan you dog).

Makes perfect sense.

Well, actually it was contracting him for a period ending closer to 2 1/2 years from negotiation/signing.
But, yes i get your point.


He was extended prior to the commencement of the 2013 season... 2013, 2014, 2015... that is a total of 3 years or 3 seasons if you prefer!!

It's really not that hard...


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:04 pm 
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Remember everyone thought the contract extension meant he would be captain.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:30 pm 
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You guys are splitting hairs. But technically AFL contracts finish Oct.
So if you get a 2 year extension in March, its not 3 years, you've already done 1/2 of the current year.
Yes 3 seasons. But contracts arent measured in seasons, they are measured in years.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:41 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
You guys are splitting hairs. But technically AFL contracts finish Oct.
So if you get a 2 year extension in March, its not 3 years, you've already done 1/2 of the current year.
Yes 3 seasons. But contracts arent measured in seasons, they are measured in years.


Probably similar logic to our list management!

So how many games did Carrazzo miss during this period?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:09 pm 
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Carrazzo is one of the laziest, overrated players on our list. You guys wanted him to be captain.

So we rushed him back last week, yay. Was so influential. We need to piss him off..


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:11 pm 
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Carrazzo is one of the laziest


He has some faults like all players but labeling him lazy? On what basis? :?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:16 pm 
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In general play. He chooses the easy way out just to get rid of the ball. No thoughts around his decision, just get ball, get rid of ball. Puts his team mates under the pump.

He is vanilla, nothing outstanding about him at all.

In his younger years he had good fitness, got the ball. Even with minimal efficiency, it was a strength.

Now with his body breaking down, poor disposal, he is not an asset to the team.

We can't play him, Curnow, McLean, Bell and Cripps in the same team. Can't see what he offers in my opinion.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:19 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
kezza wrote:
Punter22 wrote:
So the net effect was that we decided at Carrot's age that contracting him for a period ending three years from the time of negotiation/signing was a good idea. This coming off him not playing a lot of games in 2012 (granted for reasons largely outside his control -thanks Lonergan you dog).

Makes perfect sense.

Well, actually it was contracting him for a period ending closer to 2 1/2 years from negotiation/signing.
But, yes i get your point.


He was extended prior to the commencement of the 2013 season... 2013, 2014, 2015... that is a total of 3 years or 3 seasons if you prefer!!

It's really not that hard...

He signed a new 2 year contract.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:08 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Carrazzo is one of the laziest, overrated players on our list. You guys wanted him to be captain.

So we rushed him back last week, yay. Was so influential. We need to piss him off..


Drewgirl, what a pathetic and disappointing post. :banghead:

Ask anyone at CFC whether they would call him "lazy". Anyone. Oh FFS, how do you think a guy with his limited skill set could have won a B&F and endured for 170 plus games? Do you think he could be a leadership group regular and VC if he was "lazy"? Up until his calf and achilles gave him grief in the 2013 pre season, he was one of our most durable players, too. Keeping your body in good nick and having immense endurance just doesn't happen, Drewgirl.

Whilst I'm at it, he got the 3 year deal in mid 2012 when he was the new Captaincy favourite, probably leading our B&F and, arguably, in career best form. In a playing group bereft of leaders, it wasn't the greatest stretch to give him a 3 year deal back then. When Lonergan drove him into the ground and flowered his 2012 season, what happened to our form subsequent? Amazingly, he still came 5th or 6th in our B&F after missing 8-10 games!

But anyway, let's not let the truth get in front of a good story..


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:15 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
We can't play him, Curnow, McLean, Bell and Cripps in the same team. Can't see what he offers in my opinion.


He's not an automatic selection in our best 22, this I do agree with.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:26 pm 
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Blues Clues wrote:
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We can't play him, Curnow, McLean, Bell and Cripps in the same team. Can't see what he offers in my opinion.


He's not an automatic selection in our best 22, this I do agree with.

He is an automatic selection in our best 22, that is why we are [REDACTED]!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:49 pm 
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I'm sorry but we need footballers with good decision making and good skills, not an endurance athlete. He won our best and fairest, but so did David Teague so many players have won by default of recent times.

All Carazzo does is either kick the ball in the air, straight to the opposition or hand ball to a player in trouble.

Players like him being an automatic selection in our best 22 is the reason we are in trouble.

We hurried up and signed him, why cause someone else was going to steal him?

Same thing with Kruezer to a lesser extent, overrated and now becoming untradeable.

Just another good decision by the CFC.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:58 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
In general play. He chooses the easy way out just to get rid of the ball. No thoughts around his decision, just get ball, get rid of ball. Puts his team mates under the pump.

He is vanilla, nothing outstanding about him at all.

In his younger years he had good fitness, got the ball. Even with minimal efficiency, it was a strength.

Now with his body breaking down, poor disposal, he is not an asset to the team.

We can't play him, Curnow, McLean, Bell and Cripps in the same team. Can't see what he offers in my opinion.

for what its worth i agree with u...
carazzo has learnt to play within his limitations and thats bad for everybody else in the team
though he isnt lazy in working off field and he has gotten the most out of himself.

the crazy thing is hes one of the front liners at this club... and that means we just havent progressed.
hes been overatken by another rookie selected footballer in ed curnow. who i believe to be a much more advanced model of andrew.

should never have had one more season to go of afl football.
the fact he has been one of our shining lights says it all ...

2 things stand out for me about carrazzo.
he has got the last drop out of himself in the environment and he bleeds carlton
but he never would have done this at any of the bigger clubs. case in point.. delisted by geelong
had a chat with wells about him when we got carrazzo
he said
"really good kid who tries hard... we have so many other midfielders ahead of him...he will be good for carlton"

i think that said alot more about us.. than about carrazzo

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:17 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
I'm sorry but we need footballers with good decision making and good skills, not an endurance athlete. He won our best and fairest, but so did David Teague so many players have won by default of recent times.

All Carazzo does is either kick the ball in the air, straight to the opposition or hand ball to a player in trouble.

Players like him being an automatic selection in our best 22 is the reason we are in trouble.

We hurried up and signed him, why cause someone else was going to steal him?

Same thing with Kruezer to a lesser extent, overrated and now becoming untradeable.

Just another good decision by the CFC.


..krooz over rated hey?, who has been our match winners this season?, krooz is a match winner, a proven match winner no less, not potentially.. ..look at our list, and name me the proven match winners.. ..then, out of that list, tell me those that are consistent with effort and courage.. ..who are they..?..

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:18 am 
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Fevola.
Settle down.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:25 am 
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Krooz a match winner? When? Last time was Port Adelaide eons ago and his first match against Essendon*.

That's ok if you think he is a match winner, but He is not that for me at all.

We don't have many match winners on our list. Yarren, Waite, Hendo have that potential. Walker if played forward.

Granted Krooz is athletic and and all that, but his body is now shot. We probably won't get much out of him now, and this is why we should move him on for the right deal.

Teams should not give up top draft picks for ruckmen, as you can get all the hit outs in the world these days and still lose the match. I reckon they are becoming more redundant.

We need strong midfielders that run both ways, if we don't have that, who cares how good the ruckmen are.

Wood would do a suitable job and he was cheap.


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