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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:22 am 
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Anyway back on a replacement for Swanny, what does everyone think of Brian Waldron being headhunted?
I reckon he would fit into our club nicely particularly if we had an Elliot as President.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:22 am 
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dane wrote:
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I believe the headhunting firm has appointed Wayne Hughes to manage the search.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :!:



OH NO BOOTSMA IS GOING TO BE CEO :donk:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:29 am 
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Mckay hasn't got skill base to be CEO but should remain in position - club should get CEO from outside football and in my view the best CEOs come from outside football

At a minimum need to have someone who is a CEO that has had experience with member based organisation - strong stakeholder engagement skills and finance and business acumen to ensure long term financial sustainability and corporate governance skills


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:33 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:47 am 
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Any other inside info floating around about who the other applicants/targets might be ?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:53 am 
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frank dardew wrote:
Mckay hasn't got skill base to be CEO but should remain in position - club should get CEO from outside football and in my view the best CEOs come from outside football

At a minimum need to have someone who is a CEO that has had experience with member based organisation - strong stakeholder engagement skills and finance and business acumen to ensure long term financial sustainability and corporate governance skills



So Frank, I gather from your comment you are satisfied with how the footy dept has performed under McKay's guidance?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:57 am 
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Caro suggested guy from wanderers soccer ex CEO - who she indicated is the frontrunner I think - Garlick from WB and they will almost always interview internal candidate so Mckay as well - she is usually on the mail particularly about these issues


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:03 am 
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Punter difficult to assess if you are not on the inside but don't think its great corporate governance to have CEO President and footy operations manager leave at the same time particularly half way through a season and a difficult one in terms of team performance and where we have recently sacked a player for non compliance with club and team rules - also need some stability internally where new CEO and chair are finding their feet - a new CEO if coming from outside would be in a great position to evaluate mckays performance and could then determine whether he stays on long term


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:04 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Punter difficult to assess if you are not on the inside but don't think its great corporate governance to have CEO President and footy operations manager leave at the same time particularly half way through a season and a difficult one in terms of team performance and where we have recently sacked a player for non compliance with club and team rules - also need some stability internally where new CEO and chair are finding their feet - a new CEO if coming from outside would be in a great position to evaluate mckays performance and could then determine whether he stays on long term



Fair rationale, and makes a bit of sense.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:05 pm 
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Punter22 wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Punter difficult to assess if you are not on the inside but don't think its great corporate governance to have CEO President and footy operations manager leave at the same time particularly half way through a season and a difficult one in terms of team performance and where we have recently sacked a player for non compliance with club and team rules - also need some stability internally where new CEO and chair are finding their feet - a new CEO if coming from outside would be in a great position to evaluate mckays performance and could then determine whether he stays on long term



Fair rationale, and makes a bit of sense.


So, no chance this line of thinking will be followed :!:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:13 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Punter difficult to assess if you are not on the inside but don't think its great corporate governance to have CEO President and footy operations manager leave at the same time particularly half way through a season and a difficult one in terms of team performance and where we have recently sacked a player for non compliance with club and team rules - also need some stability internally where new CEO and chair are finding their feet - a new CEO if coming from outside would be in a great position to evaluate mckays performance and could then determine whether he stays on long term


Good comment and I generally agree.

The other side is that this may be a great time for a clear out and to effectively start again. A new President may want to start with a clean slate especially given the cultural issues that currently face the club.

Without commenting on individuals would we be better off ridding ourselves of the key personnel involved in the debacle of the past few years?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:27 pm 
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I'm pretty sure it was used in the equation to re-sign Bootsma and Watson. Possibly also used to determine three years for Carrots and Jamo were appropriate at their age.

For the 1,000th time. Carrazzo wasnt given a 3 year contract. :banghead: :banghead:


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:35 pm 
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kezza wrote:
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I'm pretty sure it was used in the equation to re-sign Bootsma and Watson. Possibly also used to determine three years for Carrots and Jamo were appropriate at their age.

For the 1,000th time. Carrazzo wasnt given a 3 year contract. :banghead: :banghead:


So he's contract is done at the end of this year? Awesome!

Sorry kezza, I hadn't seen the other 999 clarifications... ;)


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:02 pm 
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Punter22 wrote:
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I'm pretty sure it was used in the equation to re-sign Bootsma and Watson. Possibly also used to determine three years for Carrots and Jamo were appropriate at their age.

For the 1,000th time. Carrazzo wasnt given a 3 year contract. :banghead: :banghead:


So he's contract is done at the end of this year? Awesome!

Sorry kezza, I hadn't seen the other 999 clarifications... ;)

Now you know perfectly well that he signed a new 2 year contract early last year.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:20 pm 
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Carrazzo contract link.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-03-12/carrazzo-new-deal

Interestingly Mick said the club had "struck gold" with its leadership options.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:44 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:59 pm 
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kezza wrote:
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I'm pretty sure it was used in the equation to re-sign Bootsma and Watson. Possibly also used to determine three years for Carrots and Jamo were appropriate at their age.

For the 1,000th time. Carrazzo wasnt given a 3 year contract. :banghead: :banghead:


Please refer to the link in Dane's post...

Prior to the commencement of the 2013 season "Carrazzo signed a contract extension until the end of 2015"...

Now let's see... 2013 + 2014 + 2015... now whatever you want to call it, he is contracted for that period of time... and that equals 3 years! :banghead:

I hope you don't work with numbers... :grin:


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:07 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Punter22 wrote:
kezza wrote:
Punter22 wrote:
I'm pretty sure it was used in the equation to re-sign Bootsma and Watson. Possibly also used to determine three years for Carrots and Jamo were appropriate at their age.

For the 1,000th time. Carrazzo wasnt given a 3 year contract. :banghead: :banghead:


So he's contract is done at the end of this year? Awesome!

Sorry kezza, I hadn't seen the other 999 clarifications... ;)

Now you know perfectly well that he signed a new 2 year contract early last year.

it was an extention .. which stretched his contract out to 3 years..... just in case someone came in and stole him from us....

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:09 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
why would u give us definitive information about what asada have on Essendon**
for starters asada dont need to prove Essendon** took them.. they need to show that there was intent
and why would asada hand out show cause letters when they have nothing?

thats just the asada stuff im calling u on. because you cant know that asada have nothing on them
because we know they have texts.. invoices.. and written consent forms


Not read every post on this.

But, how embarrassing would ASADA look if they drag it out all of this time and announce that we have no evidence, case closed.

EFC* got sanctioned last year, because of guilt. AFL thought by sanctioning the club, ASADA might disappear. So there is already an admission of guilt of taking banned substances, otherwise the players would never be sanctioned. They have consent forms authorizing these injections with the vitamins / minerals listed. If any of these ingredients were listed as illegal or if they have medical tests done that prove they have illegal substances in the system, then they are in a bit of trouble.

From memory, Lance Armstrong had to prove he was innocent, even though no official drug test found him guilty, but there were a couple questionable ones. He was guilty through basically testimonials, no other evidence. We don't know what was said in these interviews with the players, if they have enough evidence to assume they are guilty, then they will hand out show cause letters to players, which means the players need justify, explain, or prove they were innocent in court from my understanding. How can the players defend themselves if that happens? only Dank can provide documents of what they took and if he doesn't assist, they are all stuffed.

At the end of the day l think the AFL has the final say on penalties, so in the end it will be a lot of hot air and nothing will happen.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:20 pm 
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At the end of the day l think the AFL has the final say on penalties, so in the end it will be a lot of hot air and nothing will happen.


I don't think so.


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